The first part is without a timestamp. Sorry. Raymond / dltq.org * Now talking in #lesblogs * Topic is 'Official backchannel || tag: lesblogs' * Set by rvr on Mon Dec 05 10:34:17 CEO blogging is often not the CEO... quite is often not blogging either <_neezee> hei raymond :) ;) open bottoms blogging the CEO's bottom? "getting to the bottom of things" that was tara's photo stream http://www.ubuntulinux.org/rosettarelease CEO blogging is usually hellish dull Hello Nicole S. don't you just love the word 'bottom' hei _neezee :) | hi all * jyri has joined #lesblogs bottom bottom bottom bottom close up somebody hand that guy a zoon lense "spank me", i hear * interimus has joined #lesblogs zoon? ceo spanking blogs? yeah, they're new like zoom, but in ens check the blogosphere oh, rosetta looks cool instead of ems rosetta is cool self-advertising: http://www.eire.com/2005/12/05/what-will-it-take-to-get-companies-really-blogging/#more-223 * Salim has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) how can you have authority in conversation? talk louder. authority without hierarchy REALLY USE BIG TYPE AAAAAAAAAAA authority isn't authoritarian http://barcamp.org/index.cgi?MicroBarCampParis patfm: i want to give you some offline feedback on blogamundo, but i can't find the contact details on the site! don't make me paste the douglas adams quote again * mgt has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) smudie: eek! please complete, if you have any questions i'm here :) smudie: /me will fix that immediately. can i pm you? paste it, I dare you znarf: thx video projectors....ooooooo Holland! Yeah patfm: my details are at smudie.com is there live video or audio or Something? talk in a human voice "Because the Internet is so new we still don¹t really understand what it is. We mistake it for a type of publishing or broadcasting, because that¹s what we¹re used to. So people complain that there¹s a lot of rubbish online, or that it¹s dominated by Americans, or that you can¹t necessarily trust what you read on the web. Imagine trying to apply any of those criticisms to what you hear on the telephone. Of course you can¹t Œtru st¹ what people tell you on the web anymore than you can Œtrust¹ what people tell you on megaphones, postcards or in restaurants. Working out the social politics of who you can trust and why is, quite literally, what a very large part of our brain has evolved to do." # # God bless his soul dltq: http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/ "For some batty reason we turn off this natural scepticism when we see things in any medium which require a lot of work or resources to work in, or in which we can¹t easily answer back ­ like newspapers, television or granite. Hence Œcarved in stone.¹ What should concern us is not that we can¹t take what we read on the internet on trust ­ of course you can¹t, it¹s just people talking ­ but that we ever got into the dangerous ha bit of believing what we read in the newspapers or saw on the TV ­ a mistake that no one who has met an actual journalist would ever make. One of the most important things you learn from the internet is that there is no Œthem¹ out there. It¹s just an awful lot of Œus¹." Not live, but semi-live :-) * mgt has joined #lesblogs it's kind of like this IRC channel is another panelist neat kevin thanks, url ? thank you schenkm :) well, spending money does give you authority you know. The supr.c.ilo.us panelist schenkm's cam: http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterkaminski/70427757/ http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/19990901-00-a.html 'an awful lot of us' - I like it KevinMarks: I see your face in Dave's screen ;) sup.erf.olo.us? km: you being tellytubbied in by Dave? supr.c.ilo.us? * mschenk has quit IRC (Connection timed out) rid.icu.lo.us no supr.fluo.us maybe he's reading my blog Did he just say that people want to do all sorts of things to eachother? fri.vo.lo.us hey, i'll download you later From blog on screen: I have a stiff neck and a headache "bloody french food" maybe the video guys could try to focus the beamers a bit more lol * m-c has joined #lesblogs Crosswick++ * NicoleSimon has joined #lesblogs Vive la France ! any italians in the house? viva le fun! original or american-italian? hrmpf * dsifry has joined #lesblogs dsifry is Dave Sifry and his blog is at http://www.sifry.com/alerts and also in proximity to Technorati and is an IRCtease pforret: Paolo Hi Dave howdy got kicked out that is not nice I'm behind you dsifry: define IRCtease I am Italian, though not at LesBlogs this year hey dave :) teasing is always good :) factoryjoe: I have no idea, Isomeone added that in for me Who kicked Nicole? huh ah ha what was that about CEO blogging? JeannieCool I think it was berlisconi lol ROI? Hmmmmmm roi = king Costs? Yada yada yada Blogs are dirt cheap... * Ulla has joined #lesblogs la morte du ROI This should be good * marccanter has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 30m euro is *ginormous* these flickr slideshows are cool oh god no, not 'message' please it's not about messaging true, Nicole. hey btw :) damn, what a good idea i'll get right on that Measure it measure it! poor Adriana, she can't poin in edgewise here don't make her draw her gun dotBen: someone get her a gun yeah Yeah, 'cause she's actually smart enough to keep out of this ridiculous conversation lol the business benefits of blogging are not necessarily stuff that is traditionally 'measured' anyway, so ROI starts to be a bit of a red herring imho tara_++ tapping they need the handbot http://maps.fon.com/near/-3.68333/40.4/6 Suw: right well, we probably have to have different conversations on this. "company" can be very many things. maybe she was going so say "this is redic.ulo.us" 20 AP's in Madrid :( here we go yay Like trying to measure the ROI of networking... "customers customers customers", what about citizens, what about changing the bloomin world ? HOORAY second that schenkm you can, in a way. but you need newer kinds of measure ments. grrr hugh plug * jstuker has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") yep, it is about citizens ben +lol* well, there's the risk of what happens if you don't communicate with customers. communicate with customers?! are you CRAZY? NicoleSimon: yes, but not neccessarily in $ seriously, them customers are craaazy I saw a comment today about corporations' firewalls emaning that the company has much less useful IT than home users if we take a normal company, like a big one, they don't even get internet at the moment - getting them speeded up to blogs is not as easy i mean, banks don't look for return on investment on their security staff. tara_: i know, I'm one ;-) ohhhh, let's call them 'CONSUMERS' KevinMarks: totally true consume consume consume schenkm well, my blogs do not pay and take time, as my podcst - the benefit is different. metrics, baby we are consumivores consummaters you said it consumeration NicoleSimon: indeed consumatronics consumating.com? consomme sometimes its just a case of JFDI experimental -excactly. becaue most of the time you don't have an open conversation in the company in the first place, that will not work at all just f***ing do it anybody streaming video ? Please be nice with the network... go underground * antoin has left #lesblogs I'm not streaming http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/ Just uploading between sessions loic: they need to shut of skype as well. some companies 'just fucking do it' and just fucking do it wrong ms bossy says no! please if you could STOP uploading videos and Skyping.... thanks so much Suw: lol Obey or i call "La Police" > authority dotben tried that. if they are still back in the not getting it mode, they don't recognize the blog * schenkm just killed skype who has time to upload video? skype racaille. * J_Clavier has joined #lesblogs schenkm: does ben like "this is iteresting of you many times a week - they still need a link by mail ... lol people, huh? * antoin has joined #lesblogs next time we'll have to double the network budget... I haven't been uploading anything for an hour now... people schmeople the thing is, much of the problem is cultural NicoleSimon is the local IT department? blogging (and wikis) are asking business people to behave in a way which is foreign to them probably a 10x - we'ell be streaming live video from all webcams * paoloval has quit IRC loic people often don't understand that just having skype on is consuming much bandwith, thy don't even skype Nicole: local net PD! * paoloval has joined #lesblogs well, what about having a proxy server? that would make things a little faster. why not support your evangelist blogges? loic: i hear there was a pretty penny put in for the network KevinMarks no normal users combien? is loic signing his book today? 17K EUR crazy yeah factoryjoe... ah ha Ka ching! Loic, you should add your blog here: http://www.technorati.com/blogs/lesblogs If I recall the answer to the question this is where laying on an official stream helps J_Clavier: you think that's enough for winecamp? crap barcamp cost us $1500 * paoloval has quit IRC (Client Quit) including wifi and we had 300 people suw and to speak up in the company where this was not used before .. forget it. they are scared. * yann__ is now known as yannk what gives? effing bittorrentors * Salim has joined #lesblogs hei jeff Yeah, but we had beer, not great wine :-)_ $1500 for 300 people., 10x that here... KevinMarks++ Hallo Nicole didn't French telcos get fined recently ? * paoloval has joined #lesblogs hmm depends on how you define 'business people' - i mean 'people in a business' not 'entrepreneurs' (necessarily). but asking people to share information can be really counter to their business culture municipal wifi++ * jemstone has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 500M EUR or something of that order * paoloval has quit IRC (Client Quit) here we go... Oh oh When I set up a wiki inside Apple for the team, they took to it MARC GETS IT dsifry if would if i would have not forgotten my password for technorati ;) J_Clavier++ * roby has quit IRC here comes mr canter ...buy something from Marc i want a picture with this CANTER it's not just that people get scared about business blogs (internal and external), some don't get scared they just don't understand the point of blogging * paoloval has joined #lesblogs hear hear but soon it was a policy meeting to edit pages Go marc go! and 'can you hide our future plans from the otehr divisions?' suw yes, in many it is. they don't have that kind of culture. if you just start that with wiki and so - they are like sone age people suddenly with lighter. Marc ain't got much use for shampoo HEAT IT UP MARC ! clap Marc rocks Ouch i'm not saying they don't get scared, nicole.I'm saying many don't get as far as getting scared, because they just don't see the point of even looking into blogging and wikis BUT... ouch in the hot seat! Busted!!!! yikes ooohhh ? FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT suw those are even worse :) Fon is patent pending? Funny, there is clear prior art one sided conversation MARC is burning ... oh no again ... * bunnywabbit_ has quit IRC * paoloval has quit IRC (Client Quit) we need googlefight in here factoryjoe ++ NicoleSimon: yeah, it's a hard battle if your job is to convince these people to use wikis/blogs! Sounds like Fon is doing what Sputnik was doing back in 2002 well, then hire a blogger to help you out with that * smudie has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]") dosn't that just fly in the face of what has just been advocated? "I'm too busy running my company" defensiveness? Much? corporations are losing control of their marketing message... this is inherently very frightening and it's not surprising they're reticent um what's the blog of the person who asked the question ? dsifry: can you speak to this? * _neezee has quit IRC (No route to host) factoryjoe: how can I help? who asked the question ? I understood "O'reilly" suw i decided to stop trying to convince them and go for people who are at least half willing to think about it. someone from O'Reilly * paoloval has joined #lesblogs is Fon like WifiDog: http://www.ilesansfil.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wifidog dsifry: do tell us, is it hard to blog and run a company? or, is it one or another? (but commercial?) well, this is a good plan - go for the enthusiasts first Man I have to tell you it is VERY HARD loic that is nikolaj? I feel for the guy it's my blog and I'll do whatever the f*ck I want "it's my blog and i'll cry if i want to" factoryjoe: I think Loic also has something to say about that ;-) * paoloval is now known as paolovalde * paolovalde is now known as paoloval hell, it's hard to blog and be a blog consultant can we have the full name of the person who asked ? YEAH * paoloval has quit IRC (Client Quit) Screw off, eh? dsifry what is heard =)) * perfectpath has joined #lesblogs you go to work for a blog company, your blog output dips HERE HERE It is very hard to be a blogger and also company CEO * paolovalde has joined #lesblogs it is all about TIME This is getting good! dsifry: yeah, i think that's true and fair to say sure we do (other than spam) KevinMarks: not true :) dsifry okay, but that is a choice. and if you are a ceo, you know before that you have no time. * interimus has quit IRC (K-lined) * marc-o has quit IRC (K-lined) * JChirac has quit IRC (K-lined) * mgt has quit IRC (K-lined) * RMacK has quit IRC (K-lined) * dsifry has quit IRC (K-lined) * BjoernSite-9 has quit IRC (K-lined) hmm * rodrigo has quit IRC (K-lined) * schenkm has quit IRC (K-lined) * peterkaminski has quit IRC (K-lined) * loic has quit IRC (K-lined) * mcabiling has quit IRC (K-lined) * tara_ has quit IRC (K-lined) * paolovalde has quit IRC (K-lined) * Les has quit IRC (K-lined) * cfd has quit IRC (K-lined) * Crosswick has quit IRC (K-lined) * m-c has quit IRC (K-lined) you want me to plot yours matt? I feel for Martin too! ouch split uh oh * Ewan_ has joined #lesblogs Ewan_ is the guy sitting next to me & Scottish, & has a tame(ish) Crow. & definitely scottish & is now back & living in Edinburgh & lucky enough to be married to Vikki & blogs at http://www.ewanspence.com/ & still Scottish KevinMarks: actually that would be interesting KevinMarks: :-/ I would be satisfied a lot to get some information from a ceo - it would not need to be himself KevinMarks, dsifry is talking about his experience ceoing and blogging ewan :o)) KevinMarks: Maybe too much people from the same IP Nicole! yes we need to find a freenode op * jstuker has joined #lesblogs yeah technowho ?? Dave is so right - when you're underemployed you can blog all you like. But when you have a heap of work on, then you end up having to sacrifice something, and often the blog is what goes (META: freenode has just banned a lot of users on here, which explains the mass dump of users) * Ulla has quit IRC yeah um technorati * jemstone has joined #lesblogs Depends on Technorati performance :-) Oooh, that was cheap suw but that is planable. KevinMarks: my blogging has become more dispersed though, there are more blogs suw it is managable. NicoleSimon: not always, no Hmm.. I'm sshing to my server, that's why I'm already alive :-/ god knows my blogging has suffered lately because I've just been too busy well that's good. i hardly really videoblog these days. ran out of talking head topics, and the snow in oslo aint that interesting * nikolajn has joined #lesblogs nikolajn is in Denmark, Copenhagen and currently attending Supernova i wish my life were so planable and manageable ;-) i barely have time to get done the things that are *urgent* let alone things that aren't. i hate hearing about how busy airports are on blogs. spend more time on the important like food, boys and coffee perfectpath: yeah. like taking the odd weekend off suw well it is. if you know you are a ceo it is dillusionable to thing you will have all the time. so you will just start of with already telling people that for example there will be other people. but if you have a ceo blog, you have made a commitment. I do see the point that people do not see the possible time impacts, but that is another point i think you're being overly harsh, NicoleSimon. magic middle is defined as < 1000 links hmmm CEOs are humans, just like the rest of us, and there is an ebb and flow to workloads and time and desire to blog suw: omigod, there are human ceo's? but deleting posts because you don't like the comments seems odd and i think it's very easy to say 'CEOs should behave in this manner' and say what you want them to do, but each to their own. in my experience the flow/ebb ratio is drastic nikolajn: i'm not really discussing deletion of posts, because that's generally a bad move patfm: yeah, for sure when i start blogging i tend to post... um... a lot in a row. * Crosswick has joined #lesblogs * yannk is now known as yann^away adriana++ suw i disagree . not on being human. but anyone getting ceos into blogging also has to tell thim, what this means and why there might be downsides. and it can be as well to start from the beginning in saying "this is a blog but you will only get something every month." which is okay with me, but if you start daily and then go over to stip it, that is bad (bad as in disappointing). suw exactly because they are human. common sense, with a gun * m-c has joined #lesblogs there's the Skyper dude! it's easy to say how you think things should go, but my sympathies are with people who start blogging and then get overwhelmed. You can dictate all you like what people 'should' do, but life is never that simple. NicoleSimon: that sounds more like managing expectations suw on this we agree totally. you have to manage expectations not by setting posting frequences (for example) in stone, but by being you have to manage expectations not by setting posting frequences (for example) in stone, but by being honest with your readeres Nicole: totally agree... there are legal issues, confidentiality issues, all sorts of stuff that make it very hard for CEOs to blog.. a LOT of tiptoeing through broken glass if you are not able to blog so much for a while, say so factoryjoe well, if you are in that position then this is part of your business suw ack. * patrickt has quit IRC * Crosswick_ has joined #lesblogs but I don't think that's grounds to criticise a CEO blogger suw but you should say so. explain why. not massivly, but in a way. i think it's grounds to encourage other people within the company to blog where's rvr? most A listers are geeks anyway frquently the CEO is not necessarily the right person to take on the company blog and who reads geek blogs, eh? * Alavanris has quit IRC (No route to host) Suw: Agree!! usually best to let others do it... it is better for a ceo to support this openly and make it clear to his employees that he / she wants that, and of much more effect in my eye than just a ceo bloggin. but I generally get called into companies *after* they have started their blogs, as they are figuring out why it's going wrong * patrickt has joined #lesblogs * cfd has joined #lesblogs this guy is really chilled s * patrickt has quit IRC (Client Quit) and that's going to be a persistent pattern in my opinion. because blogs are easy to set up, but hard to maintain. whoever started the blogs = SEO thing needs to be shot suw but does it always have to be that way? after the thing has gone down? ;) any answer, anyone? well, easier to maintain than staic sites but they do need effort Suw> Would they listen to you in the first place before they have made the mistakes on their own ? NicoleSimon: I wish it wasn't. I wish they would hire me before they fuck up. positioning should only be a by product, if you are only aiming for that you are doomed but they don't. they seem to need to fuck up first, then call me in blogs are worth having cos they are k00l. "we now have a blog" is the 21st century equivlent of "we have a website" in the early 90s says the #1 Matt on google J_Clavier: I suspect not. ;-) is it usually because of a 'rogue blogger' suw? factoryjoe: I'm here dotBen: there is a lot of that going on, yes antoin: no, it's not or full scale management-by-accountants screw-ups? in fact, i have never been called in to deal with a rogue blogger That's what I thought. Same applies to many consulting practices the "long tail" of splogs is small businesses conned into thinking they can get more visitors by starting a blog with a link to their site in every post rvr: we're getting some weird bannings b/c of an mIRC version warning No you'd call Harrison Ford for a rouge blogger usually it's just that things aren'tn really working so well. not necessarily a full scale fuck-up am i the first CEO to show his arse on his blog? a rouge blogger? * m-c has left #lesblogs perfectpath: probably intentionally factoryjoe: Les Blogs public IP was K-Lined is that tara? cosmetics industry :) perfectpath: that's not something not be proud of. ;-) do the announcement on your blog.... oh no it was accidental, it really was skype buttons - wooo perfectpath: right on! what an accident... (not) rvr be sure to say hello, i am easy to spot in one of these orange tshirts. didn't ICQ do that like 10 years ago? so does that mean I write a blog post and then people can call me at stupid times of the day to talk to me about it -- oh boy. leave a message antoin: Fon t-shirts? :) yay lunch! * jalonso has quit IRC ("Computer goes to sleep!") why is it always vertigo? * WaveStorm has joined #lesblogs ugh * adecarvalho has left #lesblogs * pforret has quit IRC hello everybody * jemstone has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) * cfd has quit IRC * perfectpath has left #lesblogs factoryjoe: eating lunch here? this being france no doubt you ahve a 2 hour lunchbreak * rwb has joined #lesblogs photomatt_paris: what re you plans? KevinMarks: hopefully * photomatt_paris has left #lesblogs nap time! * ant0ine has quit IRC ("This computer has gone to sleep") >New! Now WITH timestamp! Session Start: Mon Dec 05 12:28:17 2005 Session Ident: #lesblogs [12:28] * Now talking in #lesblogs [12:28] * Topic is 'Official backchannel || tag: lesblogs' [12:28] * Set by rvr on Mon Dec 05 10:34:17 [12:28] * Lanfeust21 has quit IRC ("dormir encore dormir !") [12:28] ok lunch time [12:29] bbiab [12:29] * factoryjoe has quit IRC [12:39] * cyf has quit IRC [12:40] * Crosswick has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [12:43] * jyri has quit IRC ("Oops. This machine just fell asleep") [12:43] * Suw has quit IRC [12:43] * bunnywabbit_ has joined #lesblogs [12:43] * Crosswick_ has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [12:44] * NicoleSimon has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [12:46] * antoin has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [12:46] * surfnode has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [12:46] * Salim has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [12:47] * EZToms has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [12:48] * J_Clavier has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [12:48] * Carlytoss has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [12:50] * AndreasHaugstrup has joined #lesblogs [12:51] Hej Andreas [12:52] hej raymond [12:52] er du i paris? [12:52] nee [12:52] * jstuker has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [12:52] they are having lunch now [12:52] ah [12:53] I've been following a couple of livebloggers this morning [12:54] makes me wonder if they have time to actually follow the conference :) [12:54] * dotBen has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [12:55] heh yeah. i don't see a lot of video around yet. this being an exception?: http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/ [12:55] 220 megabytes, ouch [12:56] oh, yeah, you got capped dl right? [12:56] edit, compress. Rinse and repeat :) [12:56] I upgraded so I have 10GB/month now. Still not enough [12:56] Hammersley found my highlight reel. Apparently he'll be doing the same talk in Paris: http://www.benhammersley.com/weblog/2005/12/01/you_know_get_around_a_lot_when.html [12:58] hah didnt see this one yet [12:59] I'm glad I made it short. It's 60% of my bandwidth right now (I'm on a low-bandwidth host) [13:02] * nikolajn has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [13:07] * Yme has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [13:16] * yatahonga has joined #lesblogs [13:16] * yatahonga has quit IRC (Client Quit) [13:17] * bunnywabbit_ is now known as bunny_school [13:18] * lilo has joined #lesblogs [13:30] * stevegarfield has joined #lesblogs [13:30] stevegarfield is Steve Garfield from Boston and blogs on "Off on a Tangent" at http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/ [13:30] * tixx has joined #lesblogs [13:30] Bonjour1 [13:30] hey steve! [13:30] Hi Andrewas, Raymond and Kevin [13:30] hey [13:30] raymond - are yout here? [13:30] there [13:30] in paris? [13:30] no, unf not [13:31] it is snowing here in Boston [13:31] i have 3 shirts on [13:31] heh, blizzard yet? [13:31] is this being broadcast to the whole room? [13:31] not yet [13:31] later tonight, more snow [13:31] * bunny_school has quit IRC [13:32] b=gabe mac put up some video at http://stevegarfield.blip.tv/file/5918 [13:32] they are in the middle of lunch now, sponsored by Fon [13:32] oops [13:32] not ther [13:32] * JaanusSkype has joined #lesblogs [13:33] i guess that video link is correct [13:33] http://stevegarfield.blip.tv/file/5918 [13:33] I want a free lunch [13:33] a panel from this am [13:33] hi steve :) [13:33] * ant0ine has joined #lesblogs [13:33] hi andreas [13:33] we should have one of these goign at all times at vlog [13:33] or [13:33] videoblogging [13:33] hey folks, is this irc channel archived somewhere online [13:33] i hope not [13:33] ;-) [13:34] hey Jaanus, it is probably stored somewhere, we want to archive all those juicy backstabbing the guy on stage [13:34] there used to be a vlogging room (started during vloggercon), but it died after a week [13:34] since everyone is at lunch i am going to get breakfast [13:34] right [13:34] i started that one [13:35] that is actually a good name for it [13:35] you're getting breakfast and I only have 1? hours of daylight left :( [13:35] a virtual vloggercon online at all time [13:35] yeah, I agree [13:35] ok [13:35] I don't mind keeping a room open when I'm online [13:35] done [13:36] * franck has joined #lesblogs [13:36] franck is in a white tshirt [13:37] nice work, jibot [13:38] * franck has quit IRC (Client Quit) [13:39] * franck has joined #lesblogs [13:39] hey raymond - franck doesn't like robots talking to him [13:39] either that or he was scared off since he was wearing a white tshirt [13:39] ^_^ [13:39] lol [13:39] franck! [13:40] we are definitely archiving [13:40] oh great [13:40] :) so have we settled a date for vloggercon yet? [13:40] michael verdi! [13:40] hello [13:41] jay is trying to secure a space in NYC for hte end of april [13:41] as of this weekend he had not yet [13:41] ok... managed to install an irc client over this connection [13:41] * yann^away is now known as yannk [13:41] great, we are also thinking about when to have the next vlogeurope here. you coming then steve? [13:42] it wont be in Amsterdam this time, so no need to fear [13:43] how many people are you aiming for at vloggercon? [13:43] I want the next one to be in Milan near Deirdre because I like northern Italy :) [13:43] jay is trying to get a room for 300 [13:45] * patrickt has joined #lesblogs [13:45] * samuel has joined #lesblogs [13:45] sounds reasonable. Impressive, but realistic [13:46] who is Adriana http://www.mediainfluencer.net/media_influencer/ [13:47] never heard of her [13:48] but, hey, she's shooting an AK-47 [13:48] * levin has joined #lesblogs [13:49] * samuel has quit IRC (Client Quit) [13:49] * WaveStorm has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [13:50] * jstuker has joined #lesblogs [13:50] * samuel has joined #lesblogs [13:52] * samuel has quit IRC (Client Quit) [13:53] * Crosswick_ has joined #lesblogs [13:53] * Crosswick_ is now known as Crosswick [13:53] * JaanusSkype has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [13:55] * levin has quit IRC ("bbiab") [13:55] * m-c has joined #lesblogs [13:55] * JaanusSkype has joined #lesblogs [13:55] * m-c has quit IRC [13:56] * mgt has joined #lesblogs [13:57] * patrickt has left #lesblogs [13:58] * patrickt has joined #lesblogs [13:59] * mcabiling has joined #lesblogs [14:00] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [14:01] * yoco has joined #lesblogs [14:02] * PiAir has joined #lesblogs [14:02] * jalonso has joined #lesblogs [14:02] jalonso is Julio Alonso and founder of Weblogs SL, www.weblogssl.com [14:03] re [14:04] * m-c has joined #lesblogs [14:05] * PiAir has left #lesblogs [14:05] * dotBen has joined #lesblogs [14:06] everyone is so full that there's no backchannel any more :| [14:06] burp [14:06] * Les has joined #lesblogs [14:06] * mickaelung has joined #lesblogs [14:07] test [14:07] * maartens has joined #lesblogs [14:07] * neXter^work has joined #lesblogs [14:07] you're all full of corporate sponsored filling, huh? :) [14:08] * ludoo has left #lesblogs [14:08] * cfd has joined #lesblogs [14:08] * olivert has joined #lesblogs [14:09] * ant0ine has quit IRC ("This computer has gone to sleep") [14:09] * jalonso has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:09] full of what? [14:09] * ludoo has joined #lesblogs [14:10] * maartens has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:10] * RMacK has joined #lesblogs [14:10] RMacK is sometimes a slightly devil's advocate and quite good at it [14:11] * Jaanus2 has joined #lesblogs [14:11] * AndreasHaugstrup has quit IRC (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [14:11] * franck has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:11] * PiAir has joined #lesblogs [14:11] * AndreasHaugstrup has joined #lesblogs [14:12] * neXter^work has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.5/2005111116]") [14:12] * ant0ine has joined #lesblogs [14:12] * AndreasHaugstrup has left #lesblogs [14:12] * Yme has joined #lesblogs [14:12] * AndreasHaugstrup has joined #lesblogs [14:12] * franck_ has joined #lesblogs [14:12] * franck_ is now known as franck [14:12] * pforret has joined #lesblogs [14:13] * Salim has joined #lesblogs [14:13] * alexdecarvalho has joined #lesblogs [14:13] * marc-o has joined #lesblogs [14:13] * Carlytoss has joined #lesblogs [14:13] * alexdecarvalho is now known as adecarvalho [14:13] * franck is now known as SkullyFM [14:14] BAD INFORMATIONS - GRRR! [14:14] * Carlytoss is now known as Charles [14:14] * patrickt_ has joined #lesblogs [14:14] in english please [14:15] * photomatt_paris has joined #lesblogs [14:15] * jemstone_ has joined #lesblogs [14:15] * Antho has joined #lesblogs [14:15] * IRCMonkey_ has joined #lesblogs [14:15] * IRCMonkey_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) [14:15] hiya [14:16] ANINA is leaving [14:16] * pierre__ has joined #lesblogs [14:16] is it this one? http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/ [14:16] or this one? http://influenzah5n1.myblogsite.com/blog [14:17] avianflu [14:17] ERROR: influenzah5n1.myblogsite.com is temporarily unavailable or does not exist. Please check the address and try again. [14:19] http://avianflu.typepad.com/ [14:19] BBC [14:19] BBC? [14:19] "Jiminy may be small, but he's far from your average cricket. He can turn an umbrella into a parachute and looks great in a top hat and spats, and he carries a mean tune, as well as a nearly inexhaustible supply of home-brewed common sense. It's no wonder he is chosen by the Blue Fairy to be Pinocchio's "official" conscience" [14:21] www.globalvoicesonline.org [14:21] * mickaelung is now known as problog [14:21] http://www.kenyanpundit.com/ [14:23] * Crosswick_ has joined #lesblogs [14:23] where's loic? [14:24] * CaptSolo has joined #lesblogs [14:25] Hi Rebecca, snow expected tonight and it is freezing in Boston [14:25] MacKinnon: Priorities of US network news:http://www.jamco.or.jp/2004_symposium2/en/03/index.html [14:25] whats wrong with lunch and dinner blogs.. no one likes them :( [14:26] http://chocolateandzucchini.com/ [14:26] yummy [14:28] kevin anderson please go to the REGISTER DESK [14:28] hello steve!! [14:28] thanks jemstone [14:29] * mgt has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [14:30] * mgt has joined #lesblogs [14:30] * ^Jaz^ has joined #lesblogs [14:31] * mgt has quit IRC (Client Quit) [14:31] * sztahanov has joined #lesblogs [14:31] * patrickt has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:31] * Jaanus2 has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:31] * jemstone has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:31] * cfd has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:32] * patrickt_ has quit IRC [14:32] wow the bandwith is getting tight [14:32] is loic around? [14:32] * Antho has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:33] * Jaanus2 has joined #lesblogs [14:33] yes around [14:33] * RMacK has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:33] * jemstone_ has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [14:33] Hmm [14:34] * JaanusSkype has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:34] metablogging! blogging about blogging on blogging. yes. [14:34] sometaithurts [14:34] * Jaanus2 is now known as JaanusSkype [14:34] * JaanusSkype is now known as Jaanus2 [14:34] * RMacK has joined #lesblogs [14:35] * Jaanus2 is now known as JaanusSkype [14:35] * dotBen has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:35] jaanus2 if you like food blogs try: http://noodlepie.typepad.com/ [14:35] * Salim has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:35] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [14:36] * m-c has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:36] * CharlesN has joined #lesblogs [14:36] * Yme has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:36] * olivert has quit IRC [14:37] * SkullyFM has quit IRC (Success) [14:37] * adecarvalho has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:37] * ^Jaz^ has left #lesblogs [14:38] * Antho has joined #lesblogs [14:39] where is Chirac? [14:39] http://www.agoravox.com/article.php3?id_article=4778 [14:39] * ant0ine has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:41] * pforret has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:41] * yoco has quit IRC [14:42] * mcabiling has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:42] * jstuker has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:45] * problog has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:45] * Charles has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:45] * jemstone has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [14:45] * PiAir has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919]") [14:45] * Crosswick_ has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:45] * RMacK has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:46] * olivert has joined #lesblogs [14:46] * Crosswick has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:46] * photomatt_paris has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:46] * Les has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:46] * marc-o has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:46] * sztahanov has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:47] * JaanusSkype has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:47] * CharlesN has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:47] * Antho has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:47] * sztahanov has joined #lesblogs [14:48] * Suw has joined #lesblogs [14:48] network sux [14:48] hey [14:48] * CharlesN has joined #lesblogs [14:48] network is driving me nuts. taken me an hour to get on. [14:48] i lost my posts [14:48] * Antho has joined #lesblogs [14:48] * cyf has joined #lesblogs [14:49] * JaanusSkype has joined #lesblogs [14:49] * photomatt_paris has joined #lesblogs [14:49] * Lanfeust21 has joined #lesblogs [14:49] * _neezee has joined #lesblogs [14:49] _neezee is Nicole Simon from usefulsounds.com and crueltobeking.org and as nice as jeannie. [14:49] * jstuker has joined #lesblogs [14:49] <_neezee> hrmpf. [14:49] * marc-o has joined #lesblogs [14:49] ?def CharlesN [14:49] Nobody has defined CharlesN yet [14:50] Charles Nouyrit [14:50] Remember the fake soldier photo that was actually a toy [14:50] Gilles Klein has an opinion about AgoraVox who's a different point of view to define agoravox [14:50] http://gklein.blog.lemonde.fr/gklein/2005/08/journalistes_et.html [14:50] it's in french [14:50] oh, ok. I was thinking of another Charles :) [14:50] * peterkaminski has joined #lesblogs [14:50] (a client of us) [14:50] * surfnode has joined #lesblogs [14:50] * ant0ine has joined #lesblogs [14:51] * pforret has joined #lesblogs [14:51] * loiclemeur has joined #lesblogs [14:51] En fait, c'est ce n'est pas du tout un bon exemple. C'est même pour l'instant, le contraire. Agoravox utilise souvent le contenu d'autres sites réalisés par des journalistes professionnels (plus les textes parus sur d'autres blogs..) sans rétribuer leurs auteurs, à ma connaissance, il s'agit, en effet de journalisme "gratuit" [14:51] * factoryjoe has joined #lesblogs [14:51] * adecarvalho has joined #lesblogs [14:51] finally [14:51] for sure [14:51] sup wit da wifi? [14:51] yeah, but isn't gilles klein considered an ass, generally, by french bloggers? [14:51] anybody from vpod tv on the chat ? can you project my mac pls [14:52] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [14:52] maybe probs with the AP software, maybe too many APs interfering with each other [14:52] <_neezee> was the wifi down or why was everybody out? :) [14:52] yeah, couldn't get on [14:52] * tara_ has joined #lesblogs [14:53] we managed to get the entire paris chamber of commerce network down [14:53] the principle of bivalence: i've learnt something today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_bivalence [14:53] seems to be back [14:53] loic: congrats :P [14:53] hehe [14:53] nice [14:53] * Les has joined #lesblogs [14:53] (your first step in disrupting the capitalist pigs' gig! hah) [14:53] ;) [14:54] * Ed_Daniel has joined #lesblogs [14:54] * jy_ has joined #lesblogs [14:54] we have some connectivity back up [14:54] jy va bosser stp [14:54] qui me parle ? [14:54] * antoin has joined #lesblogs [14:54] loic [14:54] jy tu peux leur dire [14:54] salut mes gars, j'espere tout va bien a Paris [14:55] de projeter mon mac à l'ecran stp [14:55] connais pas [14:55] c'est quel JY ? [14:55] mm Bloic?! [14:55] :-) [14:55] hehe [14:55] le beau [14:55] celui qui est tout en muscle là [14:56] <_neezee> hei. english please. [14:56] * jy_ is now known as _JY_ [14:56] * Crosswick_ has joined #lesblogs [14:56] * Crosswick_ is now known as Crosswick [14:56] * SkullyFM has joined #lesblogs [14:56] * photomatt_paris has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") [14:57] <_JY_> yes Bloic please speak English [14:57] <_JY_> "Photomatt has quit Paris" :-) [14:57] <_JY_> oops [14:57] * m-c has joined #lesblogs [14:57] michel_v> you're so rude with Gilles Klein :) [14:57] is there a political lobbying session at LesBlogs? [14:57] * rodrigo has joined #lesblogs [14:58] * AndreasHaugstrup has quit IRC (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [14:58] i think later on [14:58] * oliverw has joined #lesblogs [14:58] blogging and politics [14:58] please be VERY NICE with the network [14:58] cheers joe - we need to get stuff like this covered: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/30/AR2005113002109.html [14:58] we're on the verge of breaking it again [14:58] <_JY_> on the what? [14:58] niceness++ [14:59] what is considered not nice? [14:59] don't download videos and big files please, don't use skype [14:59] heckling is okay, tara :-) [14:59] otherwise we'll break it again [14:59] phew [14:59] _neezee: oh geeze, if they want to joke around in french for less than a dozen lines... [14:59] ah...good... [14:59] * cfd has joined #lesblogs [14:59] I thought my heckling broke it before [14:59] :-) [14:59] I swear, I was banned for being snarky [14:59] is there an audio feed? [14:59] tom, we'll have a whip-around at dinner. [14:59] * michel_v stops seeding his torrent of anina pictures [15:00] * YmeBosma has joined #lesblogs [15:00] * problog has joined #lesblogs [15:00] heckling is a high-value-per-byte activity :-) [15:00] Let's lobby the French government re: banning free software... [15:00] * J_Clavier has joined #lesblogs [15:00] I think the French government is very au fait with open source :-) [15:01] We should be playing the drinking game...everytime you hear the word 'blog' or 'citizen journalist', DRINK! [15:01] ObLink from before, re: Popperian falsifiability: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability [15:01] France and open source stuff example: http://epnadmin.pierrefitte93.fr/ [15:01] <_neezee> tara, let that to the irish guys - we will be drunk in 5 minuntes ;) [15:01] lol [15:01] tara> If it is wine we drink, we'll put you all under the table [15:01] they're using that for an i-Ville project to better manage a town's capital expenditure and resources [15:01] let's bring in the canadian mounties [15:01] -lilo- [Global Notice] herbert Hi all. The server you're on, herbert.freenode.net, is experiencing routing problems. We'll need to shut it down. Please reconnect to irc.freenode.net .... thanks! [15:02] she means american journalism [15:02] LOL...I'm Canadian, remember, I'll be standing... [15:02] * mgt has joined #lesblogs [15:02] ;) [15:02] * _neezee has quit IRC [15:02] What's with pretty boy? [15:02] tara you'r canadian? [15:02] yep [15:02] * _neezee has joined #lesblogs [15:02] from where? [15:02] should people have to pay to receive quality, dependable journalism written by non-tourists? [15:02] <_JY_> Canada :-) [15:02] please say hi later if you can find me [15:02] Toronto most recently, raised in small town Alberta [15:03] * problog is now known as JCHIRAC [15:03] who got's anina picts ;) [15:03] me [15:03] again: what's with pretty boy? [15:03] i'm canadian by proximity [15:03] pretty boy? [15:03] posted on Flickr [15:03] whatshisface speaking [15:03] who's prettyboy [15:03] pretty boy++ [15:04] JCHIRAC >> URL plse [15:04] pretty boys: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41089000/jpg/_41089622_saddam_afp_203body.jpg [15:04] the guy who hires celebrities to take our readership [15:05] * wavestorm has joined #lesblogs [15:05] iPods should be able to function as field recorders soon [15:05] they already have an AD converter [15:05] See...access...power....etc. - doesn't sound to blogosphere to me [15:06] * chryss has joined #lesblogs [15:06] blogs *are* about power [15:06] grrrrrrrrr [15:06] will there be as many podcasters as there are bloggers [15:06] hi [15:06] no [15:06] Crosswick: iTrip? [15:06] this auditorium is too full [15:06] power can be bidirectional [15:06] hey :) just to keep you informed one of our two broadband lines failed (the Open-2 network) we reconfigured the Open-1 so that it should handle everything all by itself [15:06] why be bound by 'design' Crosswick - they're 300 mp3 player manufacturers in China - love affairs iwth brands huh!? [15:06] <_neezee> m-c i think there may be more one day ;) [15:06] wavestorm++ [15:06] www.ipodnanoblog.fr [15:06] 17k euro gets you service [15:06] thx, wavestorm :-) [15:07] next time let's do 34k [15:07] ;) [15:07] will all bloggers get into podcasting [15:07] reowr [15:07] the iTrip broadcasts thru FM, you can't use it to record [15:07] we'll have to do 68k if we all get into podcasting [15:07] an Olympus recorder (ws-200) is a cheap tool $120 [15:07] <_neezee> m-c no. different kinds of people [15:07] only the ones who love the sound of their own voices. [15:07] how do you want journalist to survive if they can't speak english... [15:07] Crosswick: maybe not iTrip [15:07] the other one [15:07] some griffin thinger [15:07] hehe ok [15:07] speech radio is difficult [15:07] <_neezee> antoin that is a very simple view. [15:07] antoin -- LOL [15:08] eff blogs [15:08] Bummer that you can't 'browse' a podcast [15:08] long live IRC [15:08] I think Adam Curry already talked to Steve Job about this [15:08] totally [15:08] * AndreasHaugstrup has joined #lesblogs [15:08] CharlesN++ [15:08] * AndreasHaugstrup has left #lesblogs [15:08] even tho you got tools it is not easy to podCast so far [15:08] i want adam curry's hair [15:08] <_neezee> tara you can, but it is still complicated to produce [15:08] yes u can browse a podcast [15:08] podcast will be 'browsable' one day [15:08] naw...you still have to download the bugger [15:08] >tart - i guess we're all waiting for Google and other labs to crack the audio indexing conumdrum such as automating transcripts which can then be indexed [15:08] it's not the same [15:09] won't be long before it comes, lots of israeli / defence technology already there [15:09] SMIL helps browse podcasts [15:09] right now there's only chapters [15:09] let's make a podcast toolchain wiki [15:09] you could get stuff transcribed offshore, not that expensive. [15:09] of course SMIL -> microformat for quicktime will be nice [15:09] podzinger and bliki do podcast indexing [15:09] to see where we're going ... just a quick look on the past year [15:09] or you can do text-to-speech ... [15:09] http://adaptivepath.com/images/publications/essays/What_puts_the_2_in_Web_20.pdf [15:09] * dglazkov has joined #lesblogs [15:09] oh...THAT article [15:10] speech to text [15:10] I'm more in Web 3.0... [15:10] LOL [15:10] Hmmmmm [15:10] tom coates (ex bbc) knocked this up before he left us:http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2005/10/on_the_bbc_annotatable_audio_project.shtml [15:10] antoin: and then hire proofreaders onshore? :p [15:10] * Retrieving #lesblogs modes... [15:10] adam curry's hair: http://www.indierocket.com/adventures/childhood/17eighties.gif [15:10] I'll be there when the web 3.0 meme become a reality, you've read it here first... [15:10] http://www.batterytech.com/ to use old accessories on nano and video [15:10] * J_Clavier has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:10] I'm stuck in 1.0 baby [15:10] tom coates++ [15:11] * AndreasHaugstrup has joined #lesblogs [15:11] i want a web 3.0 t-shirt! [15:11] nice tip PForret, thanks! [15:11] web 2.0 is sooo 2004 [15:11] omg [15:11] :P [15:11] * ludoo has left #lesblogs [15:11] can we please stop talking in numerics [15:11] i want Web IV [15:11] Let's do the Web 3.0 sticker and the web 3.0 t-shirts. [15:11] ugh [15:11] eff the t-shirts [15:11] who sponsor them? [15:11] go watch videoblogs at mefeedia.com then :> [15:11] Loic [15:11] 4.0 is way too much in the future... [15:12] <_JY_> Web 3.11 Workgroup will rock [15:12] :) [15:12] LOL [15:12] .0.0.0.00.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0. BLECH [15:12] * J_Clavier has joined #lesblogs [15:12] web 95 [15:12] _JY_++ [15:12] LOL!! [15:12] _JY_: lol [15:12] hmm [15:12] eff .0 [15:12] Web Vista [15:12] <_JY_> WEB ME will be soo soo [15:12] in 2007 [15:12] http://www.loiclemeur.com/france/2005/11/face_alain_minc.html [15:12] * neezee_away has joined #lesblogs [15:12] <_JY_> and Web Vista will be.. well.; will be :-) [15:12] "human effort" [15:12] technology IS a human efor [15:12] effort [15:13] i dunno about that [15:13] <_JY_> Scoble don't beat me [15:13] Jeff Clavier : you've said you'll be provocative this afternoon : could you explain how a little bit? [15:13] he's going to get to the "bottom" of things [15:13] C'mon Jeff, provocate this [15:13] bottoms up! [15:13] really? [15:13] stealth? [15:13] Bit late to ask the question [15:13] Stealth [15:13] See the panel [15:13] stealth bomber? [15:13] * FrankM has joined #lesblogs [15:14] long tail - DRINK [15:14] i dig short tails [15:14] stealth company => very web 2.0 right ? [15:14] like rat tails [15:14] um....nope [15:14] 1.9 just under the 2.0 [15:14] stealth == web 1.5 [15:14] No long tail [15:14] exactly [15:14] No stealth [15:14] hugh!!! [15:14] * pierre__ has left #lesblogs [15:14] 1.9999999 (long tail version) [15:14] No money [15:14] this is what i think of stealth companies: http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/b2/images/b2_15.jpg [15:14] blogs are different [15:15] opinions rock [15:15] A video of this morning is online on http://tinyurl.com/8gh2a (nevermind the dutch intro) [15:15] GoogleBomb! [15:15] newsparper are different too. [15:15] tx frankm [15:15] garbage rocks [15:15] a GoogleBomb on who or whatN [15:15] bring on the garbage [15:15] oh wait.... [15:15] working on the next vid :-) [15:15] field trip! [15:16] * SkullyFM has quit IRC [15:16] whereabouts are you thinking Joe? [15:16] go jeff go [15:16] * jemstone has quit IRC [15:16] * FrankM has quit IRC (Client Quit) [15:16] could we visit a blog newsroom? [15:16] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [15:16] (or are we in one?) [15:16] -lilo- [Global Notice] (Oops, ignore previous message. :) [15:16] NPOV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPOV [15:16] <_JY_> Long tail is very pretentious :-) [15:17] tara_: IHT [15:17] short tail is better. [15:17] http://koinpro.tripod.com/BarsMedalsRounds/StealthBomberBar.jpg [15:17] * mark_hu has joined #lesblogs [15:17] npov isn't really all that perfect [15:17] i think it's overrated [15:17] hi:) [15:18] Suw: where are you? [15:18] Vpod arreter la frime ;) [15:18] * m-c has quit IRC [15:19] * mgt has quit IRC ("Xirc - MacOSX") [15:19] * loiclemeur has quit IRC [15:20] * _JY_ has quit IRC (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:20] Nicole - I'm listening to your pre-conference podcasts. Great stuff! Good work [15:20] * surfnode has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:20] it's second nature to be rude for a french guy ;) [15:21] Paris riot are place de la Bastille [15:21] it's burning right now [15:21] yep 2.0 is overused [15:21] who's the good guy in the panel? [15:21] the good, the bad and the ugly ... and the last one is ???? [15:22] HA Mac.... [15:22] heyhey.. theyre gonna burn the projector this way or something [15:22] never works ;) [15:22] CharlesN: wait, fer real? [15:22] where's Om Malik? [15:22] the bastille is burning [15:23] pforret: he cancelled [15:23] yep for real, Bastille is on fire [15:23] um [15:23] isn't that a big deal? [15:23] or does that happen often? [15:23] * dglazkov has quit IRC [15:23] omg [15:23] nope another 1000 burned cars ;) [15:23] * ant0ine has quit IRC ("This computer has gone to sleep") [15:23] raymond thx - i will have some post conference as well ;) [15:23] web 2.0 is a great joke [15:23] anyway, we cannot drive in Paris [15:23] bastille was set on fire by the crowds frustrated by all this 2.0 nonsense [15:24] ppt is burning the projector [15:24] * dglazkov has joined #lesblogs [15:24] * fmahon has joined #lesblogs [15:24] ppt should be burned [15:24] hey dglazkov [15:24] welcome [15:24] Question: How cars are burned per year in UK vs. Fr? 60000 for UK versus 30000 for France last year [15:24] taadaa [15:25] hey! What's all the lesblogging about? [15:25] * m-c has joined #lesblogs [15:25] gymiani i love that. [15:25] hi factoryjoe! [15:25] * neezee_away is now known as NicoleSimon [15:25] you might just hang out, i'm sure i'll spin up some microformats stuff eventually [15:26] for now, jeff clavier is talking about making money [15:26] ;) [15:26] how is this sudenly an owned name *gr* [15:26] * NicoleSimon is now known as nisi [15:26] hard to get i am sure [15:26] good. [15:26] great topic, factoryjoe [15:26] hi nisi. thanks for passing on the hat. [15:27] sleeepy.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/hammersley/70482900/ [15:27] MAc sucks ;) [15:27] has Jeff invested in Technorati? [15:27] m-c: i think that's a tshirt for les blogs [15:28] Technorati tech support on panel [15:28] powerpoint at 640x840-- [15:29] * _neezee has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [15:29] * cliebert has joined #lesblogs [15:31] * antoin has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:31] * sztahanov has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:31] * J_Clavier has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:31] * m-c has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:31] hello, looks very quiet here ... [15:31] * olivert has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:31] * Crosswick has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:32] * adecarvalho has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:32] too much wine @lunch maybee ... 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[15:33] * cyf has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [15:33] * tariq_netvibes has joined #lesblogs [15:33] * tara_ has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:33] * Antho has joined #lesblogs [15:33] * jstuker has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:33] is there any blogger alive @the conference ? [15:33] ok is anina here? [15:33] * mgt has joined #lesblogs [15:33] * m-c has joined #lesblogs [15:33] * mung has joined #lesblogs [15:33] hi every body [15:33] anina ... so fashion [15:33] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [15:33] hello tariq [15:34] * LoRez has joined #lesblogs [15:34] * tara_ has joined #lesblogs [15:34] * wavestorm has joined #lesblogs [15:34] * Jaanus2 is now known as JaanusSkype [15:34] * flevy has joined #lesblogs [15:34] hey tariq [15:34] sligt failure from FT :-( [15:34] * marc-o has joined #lesblogs [15:34] Hello from Brazil!!! [15:34] jo [15:34] FT .. isn't just a failure [15:34] :-) [15:34] whatever ;) [15:35] * Crosswick_ has joined #lesblogs [15:35] * Crosswick_ is now known as Crosswick [15:35] * factoryjoe has joined #lesblogs [15:35] next year we might have wimax :p [15:35] * CharlesN has joined #lesblogs [15:35] * peterkaminski has joined #lesblogs [15:35] * Suw has joined #lesblogs [15:35] hmm am i back? [15:35] yup :) [15:35] whew [15:35] * peterkaminski back too [15:35] it's stormy today in IRC [15:35] * jemstone has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [15:36] * sztahanov has joined #lesblogs [15:36] * _neezee has joined #lesblogs [15:36] * MetcaB01 has joined #lesblogs [15:36] * MetcaB01 is now known as dotBen [15:36] * pforret has joined #lesblogs [15:36] Charles N , are you there ? [15:36] did he just say 'mojo'? [15:36] yep [15:36] did somebody say microformats? [15:37] * adecarvalho has joined #lesblogs [15:37] did somebody says Bubble 3.0 [15:37] dglazkov: patience [15:37] it's not our turn yet [15:37] shhh [15:37] ;) [15:37] it's a two day conference [15:37] :) [15:37] we're 2/3 day 1 [15:37] ;) [15:37] cliebert>> wanna talk to me ? [15:37] * rodrigo has joined #lesblogs [15:37] but when we're on the screen, y'know, i need back up [15:37] ;) [15:37] * Salim has joined #lesblogs [15:37] * Suw is looking forward to Day 3 [15:37] no, just checking ;) [15:38] is anyone else having major connection problems? I just got on after 30 mins [15:38] hi rodrigo [15:38] ok. just let me know :) [15:38] Rodrigo,smile [15:38] nice [15:38] insztant smile on IRC [15:38] hu hu hu [15:38] * dglazkov is checking his pom-poms [15:38] yeah, connection is on and off [15:38] Salim, yes [15:38] pom poms? [15:38] Smile with Rodrigo, and the world smile with you [15:39] * cfd has joined #lesblogs [15:39] <_neezee> salim yes. but as you are working on your presentation anyhow ... ;) [15:39] salim: yeah connection sucks [15:39] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [15:39] lol [15:39] tara_; you know, for cheerleading [15:39] :-) [15:39] oh yes! I need some pom poms! [15:40] * surfnode has joined #lesblogs [15:40] yes [15:40] * flevy is now known as fernandabrazil [15:40] we need more mu-F cheerleaders! [15:40] I just like to say 'pom pom' [15:40] hurrah hurrah! [15:40] money money money money [15:41] pompom [15:41] pom [15:41] k...so what does this have to do with our blogs? [15:41] pom pom [15:41] me me me [15:41] enought ? [15:41] Rodrigo drop the camera for a sec' ;) [15:41] money for my blog? [15:41] stop playing with your new toy [15:41] are we back on the pom poms? [15:41] <_neezee> or just turn off the sounds [15:41] * _JY_ has joined #lesblogs [15:41] attention businesses! [15:42] it's not new: but it might be fun for you to see hwhat the audienc elooks like from up here [15:42] up where? [15:42] oh.... [15:42] on stage (speakers) [15:42] there [15:42] * nikolajn has joined #lesblogs [15:42] nikolajn is in Denmark, Copenhagen and currently attending Supernova [15:42] <_neezee> dotBen there is nothing wrong with doing business :) [15:42] there are speakers? [15:42] turn it a little on the left then, so i'll be on screen [15:42] no there isisnt [15:42] * roby has joined #lesblogs [15:42] <_neezee> nikolajn i would say you are not at supernova any more ;) [15:42] Your blog, www.horsepigcow.com, is worth $95,971.80 [15:42] * dotBen yells MIC [15:43] how do we monetize sticky eyeballs ? [15:43] big up for rodrigo then .... [15:43] * cyf has joined #lesblogs [15:43] any live feeds at LesBlogs for us poor souls stuck at work ? [15:43] show me the money [15:43] http://www.business-opportunities.biz/projects/how-much-is-your-blog-worth/ [15:43] * BenHammersley has joined #lesblogs [15:43] Flickr! [15:43] spend it first [15:43] hammers' [15:43] ed > we'll stream teh panels as of next week [15:43] hey ben [15:43] tag : lesblogs [15:43] <_neezee> hei ben. i saw you start growing at least some hair again. [15:43] yes [15:43] * Les_Blogs has joined #lesblogs [15:43] * jy_ has joined #lesblogs [15:43] * Les_Blogs is now known as Les [15:43] Ed: www.http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/lesblogs/ [15:43] * jemstone has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:43] The grey is alsmost gone [15:44] * _JY_ has quit IRC (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:44] Mr H! [15:44] tx T [15:44] what the fuck with sixapart? [15:44] it's about as streaming as it gets [15:44] sixapart ... [15:44] * BenHammersley is in the house [15:44] BenHammersley: I think your photo of Marc Canter will become (in)famous ;) [15:44] gah [15:44] $77,341.98. [15:44] ben, GREAT shot of Marc [15:44] at least he wasn't drooling [15:44] :-) [15:44] rvr [15:44] ha [15:45] factoryjoe [15:45] you could photoshop that in [15:45] yeah ben, nice shot! [15:45] i can gaurentee that's it's going to be famous [15:45] lol [15:45] * wavestorm has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [15:45] photoshop contest on Marc? [15:45] ok, who's going to come up with a t-shirt tagline for it? [15:45] looks like nobody listening to the conference ;) [15:45] they gave me all this money and all i could come up with was this finger [15:45] sure we're listening [15:45] yeah, they ain't giving anything away [15:45] 'blog me i'm sleeping' [15:45] lol [15:46] lol [15:46] if they thought there was money to be made in something then they'd be doing it [15:46] multitasking blogger ??? [15:46] he's not sleeping he's thinking [15:46] he's now sleeping with one hand in the air. [15:46] REM 2.0 [15:46] BenHammersley: I'm glad to see you took my hight video in lighthearted mood it was meant for :) [15:46] oh, mate, it my day [15:46] I laughed so hard I started to cry [15:46] thank goodness for flickr [15:47] he's famous [15:47] heh, let's do some remixes Andreas [15:47] omg [15:47] http://flickr.com/photos/ross/6344606/ [15:47] i'm so in trouble [15:47] bubblet- sounds like denile to me [15:47] bubble or no bubble - no middle way [15:47] * wavestorm has joined #lesblogs [15:47] * ethanz has joined #lesblogs [15:47] ethanz is usually in western MA, USA. blogs at http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethan and spends most of his time thinking about Africa or bacon. [15:48] hey ;) [15:48] te second line is up and running [15:48] bacon ... mmmmm [15:48] * LoRez has left #lesblogs ("Leaving") [15:48] hu hu [15:48] if you feel like it you can switch to blog-2 wifi network [15:48] Great! It's my claim to fame. Taking one-liners out of context... or something [15:48] * fernandabrazil has left #lesblogs [15:48] nikolajn: lol [15:48] it's a talent, I grant you [15:48] wavestorm - where do we claim for a refund, the connectivities been crap [15:48] not worth €17k [15:48] a claim [15:48] . [15:48] dltq: I started to look through your footage from bloggforum, but I didn't get around to it until after I had made the video (sadly) [15:48] ;) ask for FT & the CCIP :) [15:49] I wanted to go back and do more later [15:49] hype hype hype [15:49] from all sessions [15:49] t-shirts are coming... [15:49] (especialliy the ccip :p ) [15:49] DRINK! [15:49] wavestorm: cool [15:49] i reckon there is a better way to design the setup for online conferences. proxy servers, local chat servers, etc. [15:49] for a 10 Keuros seems quite buggy ? [15:49] cfd -- you are so into this conference hm? [15:49] same old idea [15:49] well the FT line only failed a few secs [15:50] couldn't ge on for about 45mins [15:50] the CCIP failed for what... ? 2 hours ? [15:50] * Salim has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [15:50] <_neezee> on and off again. [15:50] and whet vpod business model ? [15:50] * rs_ has joined #lesblogs [15:50] <_neezee> i would say just too many laptops ;)( [15:50] gah! [15:50] hey rs_ [15:50] Too many laptops? [15:50] hi there [15:50] video as a means to expression is TOO DIFFICULT [15:50] <_neezee> but a local server for irc before connection out is good. [15:50] why? [15:50] yeah I think it's easier to write than video, actually [15:50] looks like everybody is being served with WiFi though! [15:50] <_neezee> tara_ yes. shut down the one of pretty boy, he can look at yours ;) [15:50] well, it takes some planning. writing is much easier. [15:51] also yes I use a video at birthdays and weddings, but I write every day [15:51] But video and audio are much more emotional [15:51] arent blogs, vblog and podcasting just means of expression?!? [15:51] * tariq_netvibes has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:51] VCs who don't actually use technology make me cry [15:51] who are u rs_ ? Ben or Oliv ? [15:51] yes, if you want to start a revolution, you need video! [15:51] * Salim has joined #lesblogs [15:51] olivier [15:51] there are pieces of Ben's presentation in Stockholm that you cant appreciate fully without the visual [15:51] the tech guy from dailymotion :) [15:51] dotBen, i think some people are good writers, some people are good talkers, some people are good videographers [15:51] yeah i know ! [15:51] * mark__hu has joined #lesblogs [15:51] the what? [15:52] good call PK - it's when you put 'em together you get something special [15:52] peterkaminski: and no good video'erS: [15:52] video is by nature more documentary [15:52] * wavestorm has quit IRC (Client Quit) [15:52] hello olivier [15:52] <_neezee> BenHammersley i spready the link of your audio to some more people and told them you will evolve greatly from that talk - so looking forward ;) [15:52] * neilmcintosh has joined #lesblogs [15:52] home-made porno. [15:52] it's gonna be massive. [15:52] dltq: I don't think I can appreciate BenHammersley withouth the visual ;) [15:52] * roby has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [15:52] everyone is photoshoping the pict of the guy sleeping now, awesome [15:52] i wonder if we'll get the Blogger or Movable Type of video someday [15:52] * BenHammersley is entirely video based [15:52] can anyone appreciate BenHammersley without the visual? [15:52] or the tactile [15:53] <_neezee> BenHammersley of course. you are just the show man. [15:53] isn't sign language great ? [15:53] peterkaminski yeah that's what we are all waiting for [15:53] tactile....mmmmmm [15:53] \0/ [15:53] yr a married man, Hammersley... [15:53] i think video is a long way off... it's just so much heavier than text... 100s of formats, etc etc.. .it's going to take a while (imho) [15:53] don't get him started [15:53] but wheres the money going ot come from [15:53] I'm the flickr of tactile blogging [15:53] true, Salim. still we are having fun with it [15:53] but no kilt today [15:53] Salim: it's already going on. Formats schmormats [15:53] which is, frankly, disappointing [15:53] that rocks [15:53] not today - tomorrow [15:53] where you see complexity, there is an opportunity to simplify (for salim) [15:53] * cfd has left #lesblogs [15:53] * cfd has joined #lesblogs [15:53] where you see complexity, I see a man in a kilt [15:53] <_neezee> salim yes, but at the same time it is about a different kind of perception, as well as with audio doing this to text - having an audio to text is already quite different [15:54] how the conference is doing? [15:54] <_neezee> suw thx, i know something was different. [15:54] ok - I take the points,... but i still maintain we're a ways off.... [15:54] some of the obvious models that drive the money are money focused such as 'betting tips', 'financial analysis' - after that look at what you pay money for now... [15:54] http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70492753/ [15:54] conference? There's a conference? [15:54] I agree with Salim [15:54] not sure, everybody is chatting... [15:54] now, if someone can create a really simple video thing, then great! [15:54] <_neezee> BenHammersley so you are just showing off and not really living up to it? dissappointing [15:54] rs_ > they're sleeping or photoshopping ... [15:54] tomorrow I shall also wax my tache [15:54] <_neezee> wear a wig, please. [15:55] joe: LOL!!!! [15:55] yeah, yahoo should stop hiring journalists. [15:55] factoryjoe: Fantastic!!! [15:55] :DDD [15:55] joe: brilliance [15:55] :D [15:55] yeah Dave, whack him... ! [15:55] * aa has joined #lesblogs [15:55] factoryjoe++ [15:55] here we go [15:55] * olivert has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:55] * Suw has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [15:55] * mung has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:55] ... [15:55] oh, he woke up! [15:56] lol [15:56] does he know? [15:56] btw, if anyone is available for protection, i'm interested [15:56] not yet [15:56] * mung has joined #lesblogs [15:56] c'mon...put up that flickr photostream! [15:56] * olivert has joined #lesblogs [15:56] likewise [15:56] * Suw has joined #lesblogs [15:56] throw us a bone! [15:56] Y!Zzzzz [15:56] new open yahoo - lol [15:56] stale powerpoint out! [15:56] Flickrzzzz [15:57] * seefeld has joined #lesblogs [15:57] flickr flickr flickr! [15:57] tell LOic to come down and plug in his mac fro teh flickr show [15:57] * RMacK has joined #lesblogs [15:57] RMacK is sometimes a slightly devil's advocate and quite good at it [15:57] Loic? [15:57] Flickr! now! [15:57] he's behind near the door [15:57] where is the flickr pic [15:57] loic is sleeping? [15:57] c'mon baby, light my fire [15:57] is anina online? [15:57] got to shoot that [15:57] is he? [15:57] ROFLMAO [15:57] fire up your camera! [15:57] nope, he's the one managing the flcikr pix [15:57] get a photo! [15:57] Loic deserves a rest. Okay if he's sleeping now [15:57] Corporate blogging is faux openness designed to shut the bloggers up [15:58] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [15:58] can't imagine AOL beating yahoo... anyone care to comment on that? [15:58] whoa hammersley [15:58] http://www.flickr.com/photos/94657696@N00/70493386/ [15:58] fauxpenness [15:58] tara_: nice [15:58] * perfectpath has joined #lesblogs [15:58] talking about overstatement [15:58] well, maybe in a googlefight. [15:58] marc's looking kind of red [15:58] The Fat Man Sings! [15:58] time warner is such an incompetently managed company, as long as they own aol i wouldnt bet on aol [15:58] * YmeBosma has joined #lesblogs [15:58] comrade++ [15:58] RMacK: agree... AOL comes across as quite disorganized... [15:59] ! [15:59] Turk! [15:59] ...where people==robots [15:59] * BenHammersley has a mechanical turk [15:59] paid? oh, please. [15:59] consumers who are bored can get paid 3c to sport a door in a photo. wooo [15:59] can i get a mechanical scot? with a kilt? [15:59] let's launch some e-money next [15:59] well, it's more a young turk [15:59] * factoryjoe has a mechanical watch [15:59] guys - your voice is heard up here, loic is ready for his flickr show [15:59] welcome to slave labour [15:59] who wants to do it for 3c? [15:59] I have a mechanical scot [15:59] he brings me sweetmeats and dancing girls [15:59] or a mechanical mountie [15:59] ;) [16:00] hmm [16:00] mechanical bull [16:00] let's hack it ;) [16:00] battery powered [16:00] Abdul! The girls! *clap*clap* [16:00] "Too Many Laptops" sounds like a nice band name [16:00] * loiclemeur has joined #lesblogs [16:00] flicker! [16:00] on screen. [16:00] Too Many Laptops sounds like the name of this conference... [16:00] how was your nap loiclemeur? [16:00] Eyeballs! DRINK [16:00] flickr! Flickr! [16:00] btw great to have lot of plugs [16:00] * jy_ has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:01] horde of rapid attack squirrels! *clap* *clap* [16:01] Just check with loic to put the flickr on wide screen [16:01] * BenHammersley unleashes the squirrels [16:01] HOOOORAY [16:01] not the squirrels! they're evil. [16:01] yeah! [16:01] LOL [16:01] * jstuker has joined #lesblogs [16:01] wahey [16:01] * jy_ has joined #lesblogs [16:01] ha ha ha [16:01] tag [16:01] I'm soooo fucked [16:01] clap clap clap! [16:01] ditto [16:01] look up the tag cloud [16:02] what's the tag? [16:02] lesblogs tag [16:02] cantersleeping? [16:02] no logo tho [16:02] ya ya [16:02] good to know I'm so predictable that marc can safely sleep through our panel... [16:02] oh Ben, that was great...... [16:02] he's behind me. I'm going to die [16:02] someone GOT to film this! [16:02] lol... [16:02] * BenHammersley has been sung at before [16:02] Sorry man, you're on your own [16:02] ben - use your pace. [16:02] it was nice to know you, ben [16:03] if you start running now... [16:03] ben, use your mace [16:03] it's being filmed [16:03] the mac is broken anyway [16:03] joe: lol [16:03] headline tomorow ... bloody vengeance among bloggers @ les blogs. 2.0 [16:03] bloggy hell [16:04] * mark_hu has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [16:04] ok, dear, that photo seems to have slowed Flickr to a crawl [16:04] what have you done... [16:04] riots erupting at les blogs over wifi frustrations. three hundred laptops burned by angry bloggers! [16:04] im having a laughing fit here in Oslo [16:04] "b-list bloggers rise to prominence as a-listers finish each other off" [16:05] * antoin has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [16:05] tomorrowlol [16:05] * ant0ine has joined #lesblogs [16:05] hu hu hu [16:05] www.spreadshirt.Com [16:05] we should lock the A-listers in the room d ownstairs with the very last canape and see who comes out alive at the end [16:05] Riots - nowhere but in paris ... [16:05] Note for conference organsiers - just have some ethernet patch cables beside the plugs... [16:05] <_neezee> i am not burning my laptop. [16:05] smeel the burn ? [16:05] Suw: probably ben, he'd lift his skirt [16:06] he's sadly betrousered at hte moment [16:06] he's let the side down [16:06] it's a sad, sad day for utilikilt fans [16:06] ffs - I'm *sorry* all right? [16:06] Suw: Yeah, the Next Big Thing(TM) will be "reality blogs" [16:06] * fmahon has joined #lesblogs [16:06] I'll wear a skirt tomorrow [16:06] alright [16:06] *pouts* [16:06] * BenHammersley cries [16:06] hmm [16:06] Ben when you get iconic clothing, you have no choice [16:06] * EZToms has joined #lesblogs [16:06] Blog Survavivals [16:06] can we can my header up on les blogs? [16:06] nooooooooooooooooo [16:07] no skirt hammersley [16:07] It's like a Baker-esque scark or a Linus blanket [16:07] this is true [16:07] see, it's not just me. [16:07] I'm speaking tomorrow, so skirt and suicidegirls t-shirt, as is traditional [16:07] * ant0ine has quit IRC ("This computer has gone to sleep") [16:07] ooooo i'm so dead [16:07] better [16:07] why are you banned from the tag stream? [16:07] i post non-photos [16:07] * BenHammersley is taking factoryjoe with him [16:08] oh dear. is that bad for some reason? [16:08] yay! [16:08] well [16:08] BenHammersley: out to the back of the bike sheds? [16:08] my photos don't show up in groups or tag streams [16:08] yeah, sux0r [16:08] I think it's a good thing that Loic has a sufficient sense of humor that he's putting these images up in the background... [16:08] wow, that's really crap [16:08] that's censorship [16:08] loiclemeur++ [16:08] factoryjoe: nice photoshop job !!!! [16:08] suw: yup [16:08] :D [16:08] :-) [16:09] Nice job!! [16:09] horaay for loic + his private jet! [16:09] and the IRC is on the screen [16:09] lol [16:09] so, erm, no dirty words [16:09] to the private jet! [16:09] * Ewan_ is tempted [16:09] anyone here from flickr? [16:09] * photomatt_paris has joined #lesblogs [16:09] I want to join the Ben&Joe fan club [16:09] BenHammersley: dirty words like... skyblog? [16:09] <_neezee> Ewan_ you are not here, so behave yourself [16:09] Ben & Joe! Ben & Joe! [16:09] So if I was there I could misbehave??? [16:09] so in trouble... :D [16:09] typepad is a dirty word too ... sometimes ... [16:09] isn't that a type of ice cream? [16:09] Ewan_: totally [16:09] geocities is the new typepad [16:10] no no, we make ice cream [16:10] <_neezee> icecream is always nice. [16:10] typepad is the new geocities? [16:10] yeastcoast? [16:10] *reckless* ice cream [16:10] can i getta what what? [16:10] hu hu hu [16:10] BenHammersley: we have just called the french riots intervention forces to get you out of the room [16:10] it's the flickr of blogware [16:10] suw: did you ever use geocities? :-) [16:10] DRINK [16:10] GIGN for Ben ??? [16:10] the French police are a bunch of girls [16:10] * wavestorm has joined #lesblogs [16:10] geocities - now that's a dirty word... [16:10] neilmcintosh: if i answer that do i incriminate myself? [16:10] all that black padding [16:10] <_neezee> tara i would say drink for bay area also [16:10] DRINK [16:11] real police wear skirts and war paint [16:11] all that black pudding? [16:11] WEAK TEA [16:11] is that Canter striking a match? Ben - watch out! [16:11] arrr [16:11] fight the power\ [16:11] * AndreasHaugstrup lives in SoHo/5478 [16:11] it moooves [16:11] * Bjoern_HH has joined #lesblogs [16:11] and real police quick black asses in the street ?? [16:11] carefull guys [16:11] dotBen! [16:11] it was near [16:11] ohh... a handshake... no good... [16:11] Marc leaves to find somewhere quiet to nap [16:11] where are the live feeds!? [16:11] he slipped me some poison [16:11] arrrgggggh [16:11] Flickr Flickr Flickr [16:11] jactoyjoe! [16:11] lol [16:11] he's off to get a gun from the woman on the morning's panel [16:11] * BenHammersley can't breath [16:11] DRINK [16:11] factoryjoe! even [16:11] <_neezee> dotBen not quite but without cameras ;) [16:12] rofl@this [16:12] lol [16:12] poison. in the hand. like 24 [16:12] * Bjoern_HH has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [16:12] now is when we need the flickr of video already [16:12] * BenHammersley is now known as DeadBen [16:12] totally [16:12] tara> r u that thirsty ? [16:12] maybe marc let one rip as he walked past, Ben [16:12] * martinvars has joined #lesblogs [16:12] dailymotion ... [16:12] I'm playing the drinking game....obviously By Myself! [16:12] video flickr ? [16:12] silent, but deadly [16:12] dailymotion sucks? [16:12] <_neezee> tara_ and also with your own money [16:13] that sux [16:13] dltq: there's dailymotion.com [16:13] there's a drinking game? [16:13] us IRC'ers are all idiot's really. The rest of this lot are listening to how to become millionaires. and we're photoshoping Marc Canter and alking about poison [16:13] oh lol I know, and vimeo and youtube and blip.tv and and [16:13] * jemstone has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [16:13] I thought we were going to be monetized during this session? [16:13] :) [16:13] drinking game? where? [16:13] * DeadBen is now known as TheAntiScoble [16:13] dotBen: what if photoshopping Marc Canter is the Web 3.0 thing to do? [16:13] is there a next CanterPSD round? [16:13] <_neezee> ben you missed that presentation, that was this morning ;) [16:13] c'mere baby, I'm monetise you [16:13] Canter 2.0 [16:13] Each time they say 2.0 you get to drink? [16:13] dotBen: you'll be glad you did photoshop Marc Canter when THAT happens :) [16:13] dotben: you mean you haven't made your first million yet? [16:14] hehe Ben back again as theantiscoble [16:14] 8) [16:14] dailymotion doesn't suck ... [16:14] neil: almost ) [16:14] btw this might interest as an example of blog-teams: http://performancing.com/about [16:14] COFFEE [16:14] * loiclemeur has quit IRC [16:14] DRINK [16:14] I'm only about two mill off, dotben [16:14] * fmahon has quit IRC [16:14] ooh break! [16:14] * _neezee has quit IRC [16:14] drink! [16:15] dying for one [16:15] CharlesN >> should see their last improvment to dailymotion [16:15] * neilmcintosh has quit IRC [16:15] * Suw has quit IRC [16:15] factoryjoe: how'd you get banned? [16:15] drink! [16:15] * olivert has quit IRC [16:15] * pforret has quit IRC [16:15] photomatt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70492753/ [16:15] * Salim has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [16:15] * mgt has quit IRC ("Xirc - MacOSX") [16:15] * cyf has quit IRC [16:15] * rodrigo has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [16:16] duh@self, too much caffeine [16:16] * aa has left #lesblogs [16:16] * Antho has quit IRC [16:16] * Geoff_ has joined #lesblogs [16:16] * jy_ has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [16:16] photomatt_paris: well [16:16] that's how it goes w/ flickr [16:17] * RMacK has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:17] * m-c has quit IRC [16:17] cal lives on beale and folsom, we can jump him ;) [16:17] * adecarvalho has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:17] * surfnode has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:17] Hi all from Geoff Jones in Cambridge UK [16:17] Sorry that I'm missing it :-( [16:17] * marc-o has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:18] Is the backchannel holding up? [16:18] * Crosswick has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:18] * JaanusSkype has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:18] oh man [16:18] you big time missed it [16:18] * marc-o has joined #lesblogs [16:19] Shucks I was at LesBlogs1 [16:19] i do mockups [16:19] http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70501112/ [16:19] I thought all of us non-attendees were only missing sleeping beauties [16:19] and Loic spoke at my conference Our social World in Cambridge [16:19] Where's the controversy eh!? ;-) "told me that what he’s missing at this event is some element of criticism — just a lot of “blogs are good†backrubbing among each other going on" http://www.jaanuskase.com/en/2005/12/les_blogs_first_halfday.html [16:19] AndreasHaugstrup: I'm missing sleeping Marc Canter :/ [16:20] michel_v: close enough [16:20] * gily has joined #lesblogs [16:20] Is there coffee this time? [16:20] Geoff_: yes [16:21] Is there a river of news feed? [16:21] that I can tap into [16:21] not really Geoff, no live feeds - just Flickr and this http://www.technorati.com/tag/lesblogs [16:21] * dotBen_ has joined #lesblogs [16:22] http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/lesblogs/ [16:22] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [16:22] Thanks thats good [16:22] * TheAntiScoble has quit IRC [16:23] I wonder if i can make a feed of photos tagged Lesblogs [16:23] Geoff, if you're attending the politcal blog session please try and raise visibility for lobbying by bloggers against this...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/30/AR2005113002109.html [16:24] * marc-o has quit IRC [16:24] * ludoo has joined #lesblogs [16:24] http://www.flickr.com/services/feeds/photos_public.gne?tags=lesblogs&format=rss_200 [16:24] * janschmidtbambe has joined #lesblogs [16:25] * ant0ine has joined #lesblogs [16:25] l [16:26] Ed - wish I could but I'm in Cambridge :-) Executive Wants to Charge for Web Speed sure sounds liker the beginning of censorship on the net to me [16:27] damn right, flies in the face of what Lessig warned us might happen in his book 'Future of Ideas' [16:27] * mark__hu is now known as mark_hu [16:28] btw do read Andrew Marr's 'My Trade' - it's got some great tips that can be applied to blogging [16:29] * dglazkov has left #lesblogs [16:29] * sztahanov has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:29] * dglazkov has joined #lesblogs [16:29] * sztahanov has joined #lesblogs [16:30] * bunnywabbit_ has joined #lesblogs [16:30] * jy_ has joined #lesblogs [16:30] is there any OPML file of the feeds of all the les blogs participants somewhere? [16:31] Ed - thank you - I've added it to my Amazon wish list! [16:31] * EZToms has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [16:31] dltq: rvr setup this page http://lesblogs.webdosbeta.net/ [16:31] with OPML [16:32] :> [16:32] * jy_ has quit IRC (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:33] this is when dglazkov talks about xoxo for feed lists [16:33] ps. definitive list of political blogs in UK can be found here: http://www.voidstar.com/ukpoliblog/index.php/op/opml [16:33] * dglazkov wakes up. What? Where? XOXO! XOXO! [16:34] * jemstone has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [16:35] * cfd has quit IRC [16:35] :D [16:35] dglazkov ;): give me xoxo in a format that I can easily insert into my FeedDemon [16:35] dglazkov: do we have a microformat for reading lists? [16:35] ie xoxo + xfolk that feeddemon, etc can consume? [16:35] * adriankoooo has joined #lesblogs [16:35] * ethanz has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [16:36] hmm.. attention.xml, but it's still very raw [16:36] * dotBen has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:36] hello! [16:37] ah ha [16:37] yo yo [16:37] does anyone mind if I post some ASCII art?: [16:37] http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/01/attentionxml.html [16:37] * martinvars has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:37] Thanks Ed - Julian also spoke at my conference Our Social World [16:37] actually, I wont-- freenode will ban this IP and we'll all get chucked! [16:38] * ebow has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:38] dltq: I don't think feeddemon supports xoxo just yet. [16:38] but your browser does ;) [16:38] :) so for now I will use whatever format works, from a pragmatic point of view [16:38] isn't xoxo a dirty word in spanish? [16:39] god, I hope so [16:39] xoxo is the heart of web 2.0 [16:39] we need to xoxo-enable everything [16:39] hi photomatt_paris! [16:39] howy chryss [16:39] * bunnywabbit_ is now known as bunny_home [16:40] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [16:40] you are free to go and gopher- or lynx-enable everything too, as long as tools are built that I can Use in my dailylife :> [16:40] photomatt_paris: i hope you're serious [16:40] my blog is lynx-enabled. [16:40] http://tinyurl.com/cflcp [16:40] well the bigger issue is first: what's the reading list for les blogs [16:40] oh [16:40] there you go [16:40] it's funny the guy pitching dave hornik on the stage [16:41] * cfd has joined #lesblogs [16:41] dglazkov: where's that from? I'm not included [16:42] * bunny_home is now known as bunnywabbit_ [16:42] the url above is the xslt transform of webdosbeta's OPML feed. I cheated [16:42] but with good intentions :) [16:42] say hello to xoxo [16:42] oh, it looks much prettier in my Firefox than some .opml file, that I grant you [16:43] it's not only prettines. It's DRY principle: Don't Repeat Yourself [16:43] now i only wish technically superieur xoxo to work with bloglines, feeddemon and tailrank [16:43] if you have to write it in HTML, why repeat yourself in some other format? [16:44] * dotBen__ has joined #lesblogs [16:44] * dotBen__ is now known as dotBen [16:44] it's only a matter of time? :) [16:44] they said the same with Atom ;) [16:45] and they were right ;) [16:45] btw [16:45] photomatt_paris: for posting favorites from flock to wordpress [16:45] i'd like to consider using atom [16:45] or hatom even [16:45] based on the work of the blogmarks guys [16:46] hatom is looking nice imo [16:46] speaking of atom: http://www.microformats.org/wiki/hatom [16:46] factoryjoe: why not a RESTful XOXO microformat-enabled XML transport? [16:46] * RMacK has joined #lesblogs [16:46] RMacK is sometimes a slightly devil's advocate and quite good at it [16:46] * jstuker has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:46] like the talk on the mailing list I'd like to be able to use relativel uris though [16:46] photomatt_paris: that was redundant [16:47] I know :) [16:47] :P [16:47] * AndreasHaugstrup has acronym-overload [16:47] but yeah matt, i want to post favorites to wordpress [16:47] have you got privacy? [16:47] * xxx has joined #lesblogs [16:47] who brought the stripper? [16:48] we have strippers and privacy [16:48] wasn't me [16:48] gotta have both [16:48] * perfectpath has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:48] links can be invisible [16:48] ok [16:48] cool [16:48] factoryjoe, favorites in Atom, definitively :) [16:48] * neilmcintosh has joined #lesblogs [16:49] * jstuker has joined #lesblogs [16:49] i wonder how atom would support privacy [16:49] factoryjoe: in what way? [16:49] factoryjoe, you have to extend [16:49] forget privacy, I want piracy! [16:50] piracy and strippers, huh [16:50] photomatt_paris: we got that [16:50] we can use arrrrrrrrr ess ess [16:50] which is why france is banning open source! [16:50] yarr! [16:50] troller ! [16:50] yarr! [16:50] * marc-o has joined #lesblogs [16:50] open source and piracy go hand in hand [16:50] where do you think "patches" come from??? [16:50] arrr [16:50] photomatt_paris: Don't troll ;) [16:51] * loiclemeur has joined #lesblogs [16:51] Open Source comes from English not being able to distinguish between libre and gratis [16:51] France is banning OpenSource ? where ? [16:52] * EZToms has joined #lesblogs [16:52] les sources ouvertes puent. vive le logiciel libre ! [16:52] test [16:52] echo [16:52] echo [16:52] 1 [16:52] 2 [16:52] * Suw has joined #lesblogs [16:52] 3 [16:53] Hi Suw [16:53] Suw: Where are you? [16:53] 4 [16:53] all present and correct [16:53] it seems working [16:53] i am now in the middle, on the left, second row from front [16:53] where are you? [16:54] * maartens has joined #lesblogs [16:54] who's that ugly fuck sitting in the middle [16:54] * m-c has joined #lesblogs [16:54] where is Canter banner? [16:54] ha ha ha ha [16:54] lol [16:54] hu hu hu [16:54] you'd have to be desparate to date him [16:54] lol [16:54] * BenHammersley has joined #lesblogs [16:54] * Suw kicks dotBen [16:54] * dotBen goes ouch [16:54] Suw: Here X-) [16:54] you're just jealouse [16:55] * tonneree has joined #lesblogs [16:55] yeah, I love him too [16:55] where's here???? [16:55] here he is [16:55] YO YO YO [16:55] * cyf has joined #lesblogs [16:55] big up da BBC [16:55] * tonneree is now known as mcabiling [16:55] Anyone got Nokia 7610 Charger available ? This for Olivier (Six Apart) [16:55] if I fall asleep you guys have to promise not to photoshop pictures of me [16:55] * olivert has joined #lesblogs [16:55] we can't do that matt [16:55] i'm sorry [16:55] * antoin has joined #lesblogs [16:55] antoin is in Ireland and blogging at http://www.eire.com/ and on fon and always welcomed in the great DPRK [16:55] IT WAS NOT A BLOG [16:55] i wish we could [16:55] I SAY [16:55] yannk: ask the nokia rep [16:55] Suw: Four row on the right? It depends on the reference ;) [16:56] :-p [16:56] ENGLISH [16:56] * rodrigo has joined #lesblogs [16:56] please [16:56] comment? [16:56] he does not speak english [16:56] you're just enjoying me looking round stupidly [16:56] arhhh [16:56] Gray shirt [16:56] factoryjoe: Xavier has a free N90 ;) not a 7610 charger -- I assume :) [16:56] Subtitles :-) [16:56] Suw: don't forget, i need a photo of you [16:56] today [16:56] ;) [16:56] lol [16:56] grab me after this session maybe? [16:56] what kind of photo? [16:56] btw, my photoshop sword will go gently [16:56] i should be delighted to pose for you [16:57] I bet you would [16:57] see, boyfriend is up on stage and you're already playing away suw [16:57] we'll have to find a neutral background [16:57] * pforret has joined #lesblogs [16:57] * janschmidtbambe has quit IRC [16:57] grey shirt to my right? [16:57] Switzerland? [16:57] * dglazkov has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [16:57] * dotBen_ has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:57] * Suw kicks dotBen again [16:57] * JaanusSkype has joined #lesblogs [16:58] did I get kicked [16:58] * _neezee has joined #lesblogs [16:58] _neezee is Nicole Simon from usefulsounds.com and crueltobeking.org and as nice as jeannie. [16:58] <_neezee> rehi [16:58] * olivert has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [16:58] * felixpetersen has joined #lesblogs [16:58] Hi Ben and Suw sorry that I didnt make it to hear you again - Geoff Jones, Cambridge [16:58] * olivert has joined #lesblogs [16:58] * dglazkov has joined #lesblogs [16:58] Geoff_: it's a shame you're not here. it's fun. :)_ [16:59] yeah [16:59] hope the blogging is doing justice to the event [16:59] * jy_ has joined #lesblogs [16:59] I'm being told to appologise by Jem Stone [16:59] beppe grillo:http://www.beppegrillo.it/english.php [16:59] hmm not really, but the photoshopping is great [16:59] Not much arounf at the moment [16:59] Hi Geogg ! [16:59] * BenHammersley waves to Geoff_ [16:59] Geoff [16:59] <_neezee> dotBen for what this time? ;) [16:59] oops [16:59] Thanks Ben and suw [16:59] no ipdea [17:00] <_neezee> we are busy getting access again, so we have no time to blog ;) [17:00] Geoff_: have you checked the flickr stream? tag: lesblogs [17:00] design the web 3.0 tshirt [17:00] come on, we've all read it [17:00] * dotBen incdicates there is a conference session going on... [17:00] * mcabiling has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:01] * mcabiling has joined #lesblogs [17:01] dotBen, how's the session? And which one is on? [17:01] I was hoping for a River Of News stream - will check Flickr now [17:01] ?whois dotben [17:01] Nobody has defined dotben yet [17:01] politics and blogging [17:01] so we're currently hearing about politics in blogging [17:01] italian democraty [17:01] politics ... [17:01] <_neezee> in different languages ... [17:01] and in particuarlly looking at italian media vs blogging [17:01] * Crosswick_ has joined #lesblogs [17:01] * adc has joined #lesblogs [17:01] * Crosswick_ is now known as Crosswick [17:01] 2 actually [17:01] and http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/lesblogs/interesting/ -- Ben's picture is moving up the attention list amongst the Les Blogs 1 photos [17:01] seems very popular osme of the blogs [17:01] can we get that ppt from somewhere, is it online? [17:01] * adc is now known as adecarvalho [17:01] <_neezee> but in case of the italien one, he actually has an audience through a blog [17:02] * Crosswick is now known as crosswick [17:02] lobbying with his blog [17:02] * roby has joined #lesblogs [17:02] exemple of a French Think Tank about politics : http://www.clubdesvigilants.com [17:03] * i-sams has joined #lesblogs [17:03] <_neezee> we should hear more people from their own country talking about what is happening, so we all have the same understanding of what is happening around europe [17:03] yeah nicole [17:03] _neezee++ [17:03] * adriankoooo has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:03] it could be a business model! [17:04] _neezee > open a wiki about it [17:04] if you could get a good discount on the advertising ... hmm ... [17:04] * howard has joined #lesblogs [17:04] howard is Howard Rheingold and at http://www.rheingold.com/ and blogs at http://www.smartmobs.com/ [17:04] i (heart) smartmobs lol [17:04] hey, the US president is a crack addict, what're you worried about? [17:04] hey Howard ! [17:04] howard rheingold++ [17:04] <_neezee> well, i was not so much aware of it before, but as for example i am in germany, i should blog more about what is happening here - or not - so we all can share and discover more of what our differences and similarites [17:04] <_neezee> are. [17:04] i kid, i kid [17:04] neezee, yeah, it's so easy to look to america for what is going on but i'd like a better idea of what is happening in europe [17:04] rollcall: any french/european open source companies in audience? (o'reilly & others starting to map open source and other startups in europe) [17:04] Howard too bad I missed you in Paris last time [17:05] <_neezee> nikolajn define open source ;) [17:05] <_neezee> nikolajn and - blog about it, we can link you [17:05] no no, i met howard rheingold at a Well party in 1988, but I'm a different guy... :-P [17:05] nikolajn: http://swik.net/ [17:05] Loic> u missed a great presentation [17:05] swik.net in audience? [17:05] i agree _neezee, i should vlog more from Norway as well. Nothing much happens here, but we have great reindeer meat [17:05] <_neezee> haha. :) [17:06] i couldnt make it to lesblogs, but I am going to attend LIFT in Geneve :> [17:06] loic: other than the wifi, this has been a good conference so far! [17:06] yes, too bad [17:06] * surfnode has joined #lesblogs [17:06] dotBen thanks ! [17:06] wifi is really hard to manage [17:07] nikolajn: don't think so [17:07] just thought it might help you find some [17:07] very cool speakers. specially this panel. [17:07] wifi is way better than the last time [17:07] <_neezee> loiclemeur yeah, just complaining on high level. ;) [17:07] What kind of videos do they sell? [17:07] despite my joking around, I agree loic + sympathise [17:07] yes, I really like Beppe Grillo's David presentation [17:08] victims of da Bonnaldy Effect (french joke) [17:08] * J_Clavier has joined #lesblogs [17:08] suw - you would say that [17:08] * BenHammersley has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [17:09] * cyf has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:09] _neezee: will do. just would like to see if there are any open source (as in publishing your code) companies or projects in the audience for a chat [17:09] well, there's fon people here. [17:09] dotBen: i can't deny my bias [17:09] * BenHammersley has joined #lesblogs [17:09] specially whilst irc is not on the main screen [17:10] * neilmcintosh has quit IRC [17:10] yeah, you were telling me how sexy the man in the pink shirt is [17:10] Loic I'm surprised that you are having wifi problems - you spent a bundle of money on it! [17:10] the problem with network stuff is that the more you provide, the more demand there is. [17:10] thats how you become a "big blogger" link to others [17:10] you are projecting again, dotBen [17:10] it's informed agregation, not original opinion [17:11] maybe bittorrents could be disabled [17:11] uni study - students, tsk! [17:12] Loic a graph of wifi usage would be really cool - giving feedback to userd [17:12] Would become self limiting then [17:12] the important point is that the two blobs don't join up! [17:12] That was an study from HP Labs [17:12] GO KEVI [17:12] N [17:12] anyone know something about Non profit association blogging? [17:12] Republicans vs. Democrats is so limited [17:12] Geoff, I don't have that handy... [17:12] I know Glenn Reynolds would object to being called a Republican [17:12] * weemac has joined #lesblogs [17:12] pro-gay marriage etc... [17:13] kevin and the democrat convention for the bbc:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3927801.stm [17:13] Loic more as an idea on future events (will try on next OSW) [17:13] <_neezee> loic could you perhaps ask that question shortly as if some open source are in the room? that might help. nikolajn, can i write you down for the post conference podcast? :) [17:13] oooh, the b word --- bubble [17:13] _neezee you're projected on the main screen everybody sees you ! [17:14] i hope someone is paying nicole good for those podcasts. excellent way to package the conference imo [17:14] <_neezee> loiclemeur but some people actually follow just the session :) [17:14] can we prepare the questions of that session here ? [17:14] _neezee :-) [17:14] loiclemeur: do you want me on the panel after my talk tomorrow? [17:14] <_neezee> loiclemeur i mean it. many are distracted by that and ignore that in order to stay insane [17:14] nezee - really great idea - I'm sure the usage would become self limiting if everyone could see the actual usage [17:14] Yeeaaaargh! ;-) [17:15] Ben, if you are nice to me until tomorrow [17:15] the thing is that it isn't the guy who's most rallyed up who wins. [17:15] <_neezee> Geoff_ so we would be humbled by our wastage? [17:15] http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.01/dean.html [17:15] loic: i'd love if you could let the open source people know at the end of one of the sessions, that i'd lve to chat with them. especially if they're french [17:15] Yes, Ben please stay [17:15] _neezee: yes [17:15] * roby has quit IRC [17:15] antoin: no it's the person people knows the most == thus the blog [17:15] <_neezee> BenHammersley, you promised something challenging again, so you should better deliver that ; [17:15] nikoajn, the problem I have is about 15 people asked me to pass messages [17:16] one was "can everybody who has a Mac let us know" [17:16] loic: np. i understand. [17:16] * BenHammersley will be talking about babylonian town planning [17:16] nezee - :-) its like roads if you see a jam outside you stay at home [17:16] so if I do it for you I have to do it for everybody [17:16] he never would have won! [17:16] Ben, yep, stay on the panel tomorrow pls [17:16] loiclemeur: cool [17:16] http://www.hpl.hp.com/research/idl/papers/politicalblogs [17:16] we'll actually react to your presentation, so you'd better rock [17:16] * howard has quit IRC [17:16] we should set up a thing where whatever you type appears on a screen at the front of the room... :-) [17:16] :-) [17:16] :-) [17:17] i think the speakers should have a little monitor so they can see the backchannel [17:17] yeah, can the open source people read this? job done [17:17] loiclemeur: beware. He might start bashing the french again ;) [17:17] oh, wait, no i don't. [17:17] it was about raising funds to carry on the campaign [17:17] hehe [17:17] a rearview mirror [17:17] Jeff Jarvis bashes the french MUCH more [17:17] Loic> are you on a private chat up here ? [17:17] don't look round guys! [17:17] Rodrigo is staying just on my right !!! [17:18] * NicoleS has joined #lesblogs [17:18] * fmahon has joined #lesblogs [17:18] nice point [17:18] Porkbusters! [17:18] us blogosphere - more than red/blue [17:18] I am so hungry, forgot to eat at lunch, just was saying hello to everybody [17:18] hmm i see a few netstumblers on some screens [17:19] yeah, keep your passwords out the clear people [17:19] * peterkaminski has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:19] I'm starving - do those mics pick up tummy rumbles?! [17:19] kevins bbc programme: http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/programmes/upallnight.shtml [17:19] well i think sometimes the idea that journalism is about dialogue - two sides of a story - entirely misses out the shades of grey inbetween [17:19] Loic, you did that last year already [17:19] could somebody go and get some big macs for me ? [17:19] LOL [17:19] 17inch loic ? [17:19] * Ewan_ is now known as Ewan_away [17:19] LE big mac [17:19] Tele pizzas [17:19] * maartens would like one too [17:19] Loic, sausage? [17:19] Ze big mac [17:19] sausage mmmmmmm [17:19] * zeroday has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [17:19] Or a Whopper.... [17:20] the internet is becoming like poetry. [17:20] How would you like your sausage? [17:20] Or Rouleau de Printemps [17:20] I am voting for factoryjoe to get the N90 - his Les Blogs 2.0/Canter mashup is a classic [17:20] Do they have Burger King in Paris? [17:20] a lot more people are writing than reading. [17:20] * dotBen rolls on floor [17:20] with Ketchup please [17:20] * dotBen lol [17:20] can someone plesase design a banner with 'MMMMMmmmmm 2.0 conference' [17:20] :D [17:20] burger king no more [17:20] Go Joe! [17:20] can you please now let us concentrate on the session :-) [17:20] :-P~~~ [17:20] Hey you diverged [17:20] (with a big Mac) [17:20] too hungry now [17:20] * peterkaminski has joined #lesblogs [17:20] aahhh stop, i'm getting hungry [17:20] Sometimes I stand in the fish and chip shop queue, watching as the vinegar runs through, wishing I could buy suppoer for two. [17:20] Jeff :D [17:20] I SOOOO hungry [17:20] why? i thought there where to be podcast recordings, so we can concentrate on the backchannel :) [17:20] stoooooooooooooop! [17:21] NicoleS good point ! [17:21] Better: I'm videoing this :-) [17:21] Moi aussi, j'ai la dalle [17:21] 10 minutes more, and Loic sees 5 burgers talking on the scene [17:21] hehe [17:21] jy_++ [17:21] http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/ [17:21] Just about to make some butternut squash soup.... [17:21] * neilmcintosh has joined #lesblogs [17:21] Let's order pizza hut ;) [17:21] Like in the Looney Toons...a whole panel of burgers [17:21] hot dogs panel [17:21] pizza hut suck [17:21] sucks [17:21] burger off [17:21] Video will be available there later... [17:21] * perfectpath has joined #lesblogs [17:21] there should be popcorn next time [17:21] some oysters maybe ? [17:21] yep but they deliver [17:22] Fon should give away tapas [17:22] yep, with muscadet [17:22] pub sub govt is like http://www.theyworkforyou.com in the UK [17:22] * chryss has left #lesblogs ("Leaving") [17:22] 40000 inhabitants in Paris [17:22] maybe get a food outfit to sponsor the event [17:22] close to La Defense [17:22] * EZToms- has joined #lesblogs [17:22] does anyone have a link to this guy's site? [17:22] He says Puteaux has 10 Mac donalds and 5 burger kings [17:22] Christophe has been blogging for more than a year [17:22] on how he hates the city mayor [17:22] THOMAS YOU ROCK [17:22] any fastfoof bloggers in the house? [17:23] maartens: be kind with the wifi guys [17:23] www.fastfoodweblog.nl [17:23] fastfodo* [17:23] * oliverw has joined #lesblogs [17:23] http://www.monputeaux.com/ [17:23] not my site [17:23] * jstuker has quit IRC (No route to host) [17:23] maartens: big video files does no good to the bandwidth [17:23] yannk: I'm not uploading them... [17:23] now [17:23] But later [17:23] maartens: upload or download [17:23] This is the paper from the Puteaux mayor [17:23] I'm not downloading them either [17:23] maarteens is n next to me and i can tell you he's eating AND uploading [17:24] :) [17:24] eating!!!!! [17:24] I wish I was eating... [17:24] OUTRAGAOUS! [17:24] outrageous! [17:24] Ouiii! [17:24] * yannk slaps maartens [17:24] * xxx has quit IRC (Nick collision from services.) [17:24] :) [17:24] :-) [17:24] I used to live in Puteaux too - back in 1991 [17:24] it reminds me of http://www.edinburghsucks.com/ [17:25] Edinburgh DOES NOT suck! [17:25] well, if you like that kind of thing. [17:25] The fringe is great ;) [17:25] The rest is alright, too ;-) [17:25] sounds horribly corrupt to me. [17:25] Edinburgh? [17:26] * xxx has joined #lesblogs [17:26] yeah. [17:26] * xxx has quit IRC (Nick collision from services.) [17:26] pizzas arrived JY ? [17:26] Edinburger [17:26] * schickr has joined #lesblogs [17:26] Christophe will be Mayor in 5 years [17:26] Hope so [17:26] Pizza finally [17:26] where? [17:26] this guy rocks [17:27] yep [17:27] Does he have a day job with that? [17:27] democracy in action [17:27] Liberté, égalité, fraternité, réalité?! [17:27] Et intimidation [17:28] who's video streaming there on the big screen? [17:28] * EZToms has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [17:28] That's on his site [17:28] Loic : Geraldine says no pizza, you should have eaten at lunch :-P [17:28] what lunch? [17:29] maartens: yes he has... he's working in a information and communication company [17:29] the lunch where nothing was bigger than my thumb [17:29] * oliverw has quit IRC [17:29] * larcher has joined #lesblogs [17:29] fmahon: does he have time to have a life outside this blog then? [17:29] nanolunch [17:29] don't be humble, your thumb is bigger [17:29] big mac banner online [17:29] MMMmmmm [17:29] You just had to eat a lot of thumbs! [17:30] http://www.mcdonalds.fr/ [17:30] yum thumbs! [17:30] http://www.alloresto.fr/alloresto/ [17:30] Loic : skeeping lunch is nice to loose weight. oops [17:31] * ludoo has left #lesblogs [17:31] oooh, bitchy [17:31] jy_ start this over again you'll see [17:31] Cheap [17:31] in general of course [17:31] what was the first queston? [17:31] how close is this party tonight? [17:31] lesblogs is the HOTTEST tag in the ladst 24h on flickr... [17:31] * yannk remembers that everything in this backchannel is logged [17:32] what was the second one ? [17:32] is it ? [17:32] where Rodrigo ? [17:32] http://www.bandt.com.au/news/89/0c015489.asp [17:32] http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/ [17:32] that would have been useful... [17:32] 1. doesn't this interfere with your day job? [17:32] It has been since this morning already... [17:32] doesn't look like loïc's missed many lunches [17:32] Not yet in TEchnorati [17:32] Ben : you only need to walk 1h30. [17:32] j'ai faim [17:32] I remember blogging about it this morning [17:32] metro, then... [17:32] boulot, metro, resto, dodo [17:32] 2. where are the opposition parties? they should be hassling the incumbents [17:32] by the way, also for the alst week :) [17:33] He, second hottest tag blogs & dogs :-/ [17:33] is it a free bar? [17:33] open bar all night [17:33] really? [17:33] Loic said [17:33] open? [17:33] NO PROMOTION [17:33] Are you not paying, Loic? [17:33] FOR FRANCE WORKING 35 HOURS A WEEL [17:33] a week [17:33] But you said...! [17:33] 35 hours. socialist governments and trade unions have created blogs [17:33] even if you speak english and french, both at the same time is sometimes hard [17:33] Christophe is a member of the French socialist party [17:34] they are sometime hard on their own. I have barely comprehended the art of speaking English [17:34] What's for dinner? [17:34] And that 35 hours, that is the average. If it weren't for loic it would be lower! ;-) [17:34] sassuage? [17:34] fingers [17:34] hmmmm [17:34] etc [17:34] hehe [17:34] * chrisheuer has joined #lesblogs [17:34] weemac: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70525009/ [17:34] FactoryJoe strikes again [17:34] clientelisme = nepotism ? [17:34] * _neezee has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [17:35] * perfectpath has left #lesblogs [17:35] Loic does 35 hours a day ;-) [17:35] He SO deserves that phone [17:35] no clientelism is different. [17:35] good evening [17:35] * NicoleS is now known as _neezee [17:35] sup chrisheuer [17:35] it's about doing stuff for your consituents. Favours. [17:35] <_neezee> so, loic wants some wiki things up: http://www.socialtext.net/loicwiki/member/index.cgi?write_down_your_favorite_quote [17:35] in ireland we call them 'strokes' [17:35] still recovering - but kicking and screaming into the morning [17:35] long week [17:35] <_neezee> go and enter your favorite quote from the conference ;) [17:35] Can blogging really affect politics? Is it possible for bloggers to have real influence? Or is it just people talking to themselves? [17:35] someone beat me to it [17:35] long week, it's just monday [17:35] * photomatt_paris_ has joined #lesblogs [17:35] last week [17:36] Suw, you are talking to yourself [17:36] well, citizen action on the internet can. [17:36] blogs are just part of it. [17:36] navel gazing [17:36] schickr: burger gazing [17:36] schicikr: and that's just the politicians [17:36] Well, blogs brought down the canadian government last week... [17:36] And Dan Rather [17:36] (this, coming from the peschitarian amongst us) [17:36] And Trent Lott [17:36] really? [17:36] canada i mean? [17:36] * fmahon has quit IRC [17:36] who's that ugly git [17:36] is Trent Lott just an isolated case, though? can this really have a long-lasting impact? [17:36] * sztahanov has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:37] conf still going on or are you all just keeping the conversation going? [17:37] * sztahanov has joined #lesblogs [17:37] Wasn't the scandal it fell over originally brought out by a blogger that ignored a court gagging order? [17:37] no, they are still talking [17:37] despite this [17:37] that's the problem with "confersations" = too many comments [17:38] I met an HR person from a tech co who said that blogs will be the end of sun, microsoft and IBM the other night [17:38] * tara_ has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:38] blogging is pamphleting, politically. Martin luther did in papal bull. [17:38] an HR person? how would she know [17:38] MERRY CHRISTMAS [17:38] p [17:38] wow, i'm starving [17:38] the 41st person isn't welcome [17:38] basically, her take was that the people inside the big cos were giving away all this valuable stuff, like the projects they are on and who they work with and who is smart on the team [17:38] COMING NEXT: Ewan McGregor: http://edu.blogs.com/edublogs/2005/11/ewan_mcgregor_s.html [17:38] Suw: ditto [17:38] your not alone Suw [17:38] * weemac has left #lesblogs [17:38] * cfd has quit IRC [17:38] as a result, she has already nabbed 10 people from sun [17:39] * marc-o has quit IRC [17:39] * tara_ has joined #lesblogs [17:39] you're all going to be very disappointed. And I can say that as his brother. [17:39] * felixpetersen has quit IRC [17:39] chrisheuer: she does not get it [17:39] * i-sams has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:39] the point is, she is looking at the world from her own POV, the narrow, specialized POV instead of seeing the bigger picture [17:39] no - she does not get it [17:39] chrisheuer - no one's got me (yet) [17:39] blogging is globalization [17:39] but she is like a lot of people out there, so I am glad to have had that conversation [17:40] i still dont have my planet of mongolian blogs written in English [17:40] * cfd has joined #lesblogs [17:40] BTW - like the confersation term DOTBEN [17:40] too much conferring [17:40] * winski has joined #lesblogs [17:40] * photomatt_paris_ has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [17:41] * Ton has joined #lesblogs [17:41] wtf dltq [17:41] slight correction i think - blogging is a part of democratized globalization, where people can participate in the big show directly rather than through intermediaries [17:41] * larcher has left #lesblogs [17:41] or rather it is an enabler [17:41] * Ton is now known as TonWes [17:41] i wish there was a nap room [17:42] untill the chinese create their own internet, and then iran, and then syria [17:42] sup TonWes [17:42] so what would you say to someone who came up with that argument - about losing talent? I did poorly at best... [17:42] snack and nap [17:42] factoryjoe - so does Marc C [17:42] naproom = hotel room +wifi. [17:42] she will lose them to somebody else just as easily [17:42] * TonWes has quit IRC (Client Quit) [17:42] when is dinner? [17:42] blogs in education kinda = nap room [17:42] loi [17:42] lol [17:42] comfy chairs [17:42] Yes, the room is emptying out... [17:43] winski, at least your hotel room has wifi [17:43] I'm afraid of the flickrization factor, tho [17:43] yeah, factoryjoe, just take a nap in your chair [17:43] mine doesn't even had cable bandwidth! [17:43] come on, make a good photo op, fall asleep [17:43] comfy chairs, warm room, soothing talking... zzzzzzz [17:43] and MMMmmm [17:43] * photomatt_paris has quit IRC (No route to host) [17:43] <_neezee> does somebody know the metro station of the dinner? [17:43] Oper [17:44] One of the most interesting aspects of power in relation to increasing flows of information might be called the "paradox of plenty". A plentitude of information leads to a poverty of attention. Attention becomes the scarce resource and those who can distinguish valuable signal from white noise gain power. .... Power does not necessarily flow to those who can produce or withold information but to th [17:44] ose who can verify it. - Harvard professor Joseph S. Nye Jr [17:44] Opera [17:44] * weemac has joined #lesblogs [17:44] * dglazkov is jealous [17:44] Métro : Opera [17:44] opera on #3 [17:44] can anyone point me to the pic of Adriana with her gun? [17:44] it's straight from here [17:44] on 3 [17:44] give us some time [17:44] somebody send me a postcard from Paris [17:44] mcabling: --> nice point - reason why so many people powered search sites have popped up lately [17:44] www.mappy.fr to get a map with the address [17:44] http://www.mediainfluencer.net/ [17:44] wow [17:45] dotBen: scroll down [17:45] getting professors on plazes will be nuts [17:45] http://www.ratp.fr/ [17:45] plazes? [17:45] subway map [17:45] weemac: seriously? [17:45] what's a plaze when it comes up and says hello? [17:46] are we back in university ? [17:46] plazes is location awareness built into your laptop so you can tell the world where you are [17:46] co blogging with the co eds! [17:46] or desktop [17:46] like geotagging - or the same thing [17:46] www.capital.edu [17:47] only one other person in plazes though here in the room [17:47] * sztahanov has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:47] I am [17:47] * _neezee has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [17:47] no competition? Plenty in Britain - two swathes of new Universities in the last 30 years... [17:47] ?whois tara [17:47] Nobody has defined tara yet [17:47] tonnes of competition [17:47] missrogue [17:47] speaking of universities, one of the first to put real (no moderation, comments, etc.) blogs on their homepage [17:48] weemac: You geotag the mac address of the internet access point you are using, and whenever you sign in there the systme knows where you are [17:48] I tara :) [17:48] At the end of the day unis are businesses [17:48] * _neezee has joined #lesblogs [17:48] poor ones at that ;-) [17:48] <_neezee> i am actually quite irritated, that my small little irc clients gets messed up so much *wonder* [17:48] tara is the free beer drinking spark of the brat pack [17:48] :) [17:48] make your own LesBlogs logo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pforret/70528472/ [17:49] my legacy continues [17:49] <--- fanning the story that never dies [17:49] a brit pack ? [17:49] Brat Pack 2.0! [17:49] _neezee : mac or pc? [17:49] world denomination [17:49] tara - have you been to maison du chocolat yet? [17:49] * AndreasHaugstrup has left #lesblogs [17:49] <_neezee> mung i will not answer that question beause it does ont belong to that subject :) [17:49] http://www.flickr.com/groups/bratpack/ [17:50] if you do, please do get me just a little... http://www.lamaisonduchocolat.com/ [17:50] <_neezee> oh!° [17:50] <_neezee> chocolat! [17:50] haven't been to that maison [17:50] I'm into tarts [17:50] amazing chocolate shop up - find locations from the web site [17:50] Tara, u definitely should go there [17:50] do I appear to be a chocolate lover? [17:50] ah - lots of tarts in Paris.... [17:50] * cliebert has quit IRC [17:50] yep [17:51] * NicoleS has joined #lesblogs [17:51] I had a cheap blond or two last night [17:51] still a big fan of the nutella crepes in the latin quarter [17:51] they have an english site, i like them already :) [17:51] they're worldwide [17:51] * factoryjoe has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:51] omg i miss the latin quarter and their crepes.. [17:51] that was my lunch as a student [17:51] academics fear to expose themselves? [17:52] I have to say that most blogs are nons [17:52] nonsense [17:52] I've met some academics that are more than happy to expose themselves [17:52] even [17:52] business blogs doubly so [17:52] depends on countries [17:52] so what? [17:52] i don't think that's what tara meant. [17:52] * ethanz has joined #lesblogs [17:52] ethanz is usually in western MA, USA. blogs at http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethan and spends most of his time thinking about Africa or bacon. [17:52] and culture [17:52] what was scoble's phrasing on this - about being beyond human in them or something like that [17:53] does facebook do blogs? [17:53] scoble is beyond human? [17:53] * factoryjoe has joined #lesblogs [17:53] no [17:53] human ++ [17:53] that explains a lot [17:53] super animal [17:53] scoble is the immaculate offspring of bill gates. [17:53] this conversation is mostly nonsense. Doesn't diminish its quality, right? ;) [17:54] nonsense ++ [17:54] BS is good for the evolution of mankind [17:54] scoble is even acting in Rock academy [17:54] * rs_ has quit IRC [17:54] at least they act [17:54] scoble will be played by The Rock in the movie of this conference [17:55] my cleaning lady brought her child this morning so i set her up with the disney channel - I just heard Donald Duck say "Write me an email" - how surreal [17:55] they so should have used drupal [17:55] I'd have thought Donald Duck was more an IM man [17:55] I guess the internet is beyond 'pervasive'.... [17:56] * surfnode_ has joined #lesblogs [17:56] * surfnode has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:56] * surfnode_ is now known as surfnode [17:57] * vowe has joined #lesblogs [17:57] Joe: who? Donald Duck? [17:58] * jemstone has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:58] yes [17:58] great idea [17:58] hi volker :) [17:58] sssh [17:58] *gg* [17:59] * NicoleS points out that vowe is spreading the rumour we would have 300 power plugs here [17:59] at how many Watts per plug? [17:59] the consumption of power would be interesting too, besides the wifi [18:00] this room is the biggest micro wave owen ever [18:00] s/owen/oven [18:00] ping! [18:00] i understand you had too many machines for the wifi cloud? [18:00] sleeeeepy [18:00] toasty [18:00] good night [18:01] nite [18:01] * ant0ine has quit IRC ("This computer has gone to sleep") [18:01] * olivert has quit IRC [18:01] wheres termie btw [18:01] good question [18:01] get into local habits : bonne nuit [18:01] sleeping somewhere? eating somewhere? [18:01] Joe? [18:01] ? [18:01] why does he speak funny? [18:01] http://edu.blogs.com/edublogs/2005/11/ewan_mcgregor_s.html [18:01] Lloyd davis does [18:02] i thought that was Lloyd who exposed himself on his blog? [18:02] he exposes himself [18:02] damned scotch accent [18:02] that blokes incomprehensible! [18:02] on this blog [18:02] well, they will at first have problems understanding him [18:02] hugh macintosh == irish? [18:02] * Les has quit IRC (Success) [18:02] lol [18:02] och aye [18:02] oh [18:02] god, no, it's a damn sexy accent [18:02] scottish [18:02] can you understand him? [18:02] he does have a wee accent [18:02] scots, not irish [18:02] totally [18:02] * NicoleS praises mark hunter from the tartan podcast to 'train' me on that ;) [18:02] love is accent [18:02] hot [18:02] where's ur utilitkilt? [18:02] * BenHammersley has the horn for the accent [18:02] he's my brother and I still can't make out a word [18:02] Suw will sleep with anyone who gets on stage> [18:02] his wee willy what? [18:02] What! [18:02] even for a straight guy [18:02] * martinvars has joined #lesblogs [18:03] only when he has a great accent or what? ;) [18:03] I don't even care what he's saying [18:03] And he didn't ask us to come! [18:03] * dotBen feels he may have just crossed the line [18:03] I just don't want him to stop [18:03] saint mungo is shocked [18:03] at least u guys awa [18:03] ke [18:03] don't look!! [18:03] just don't look!! [18:03] well i am satisfied if the voice is 'tasty' ;) [18:03] yooo take the higgggggh roadddd [18:03] I want some IRN BRU [18:03] and I'll takkeee the loooowwww road [18:03] looking for someone? [18:03] Seems this voice is waking up quite some people... [18:03] when i close my eyes, i keep hearing a skinny shrek [18:03] the word och eye? [18:03] he's better than the bloody french, you have to admit [18:03] true [18:03] I see something entirely different when I close mine [18:03] scottish fonero? [18:04] see, you can't beat a good Scottish accent [18:04] cool, you can see he is a teacher - read on and still watch everything else. [18:04] <--- proud to be an IBM Thinkpad'er [18:04] you should hear him talk french [18:04] Lenovo [18:04] I keep picturing groundskeeper Willy... [18:04] hubba hubba [18:04] stop it [18:04] alright guys - stay out of trouble and have fun - will check back in tomorrow afternoon with you all to talk more about blogs in an international light (and chocolate of course) [18:04] poor wee chap [18:04] now you killed it for me [18:04] totally gone [18:04] chrisheuer: yeah right [18:04] the moment is dead [18:04] chocolate? did someone mention chocolate? [18:04] tara close your eyes again . ;) [18:04] it anyone podcasting this ? it's going to be my favourite intro ! [18:04] Suw will do anything for chocolate and vodka [18:04] I'm videocasting it... [18:04] http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/ [18:05] suw yes, a full house of it [18:05] Video will be up later [18:05] Ack...willy! [18:05] people like me [18:05] yeah podcast [18:05] obsecene comment is great, shit face [18:05] being cheesy [18:05] he totally rocks [18:05] maartens : we should talk with a scotch in hand tonight ;) [18:05] The namesh Bond [18:05] * Salim has joined #lesblogs [18:05] * TonWes has joined #lesblogs [18:05] * Les_Blogs has joined #lesblogs [18:05] * Les_Blogs is now known as Les [18:05] Rodrigo> indeed [18:05] well, the irish weren't bad either [18:05] scotch accent sounds like they speak on a bad GSM phone line, i miss half of the words :-) [18:05] pooooshing [18:05] Ben, you is a native Jock boy, too, no? [18:05] * ant0ine has joined #lesblogs [18:05] Sco-tland invented power right ? or was that James Watt ! ? [18:06] jy you just have to try better [18:06] * BenHammersley is now known as BonniePrinceChar [18:06] shrek: http://flickr.com/photos/hartnupj/68616156/ [18:06] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [18:06] sex apart? [18:06] and the telephone [18:06] I bet their highspeed internet cost less that €17k [18:06] * BonniePrinceChar is now known as WilliamWallace [18:06] dirty boy [18:06] unlike htis confernece [18:06] FREEDOMMMMMMMM [18:06] sex apart is a new sitcom [18:06] dotBen - have you seen BT's prices? [18:06] DONKEY!! [18:06] rob roy ! [18:07] sex apart - ist that what we call ldr now? ;) [18:07] * EZToms- has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [18:07] Brave Heart [18:07] good question! [18:07] Donkey ... totally [18:07] I'm getting paid to be here... [18:07] what's with the donkey, I don't get it? [18:07] um [18:07] autistic group think? [18:07] why ARE we here? [18:07] *crickets* [18:07] talk. don't read ewan! [18:07] Shrek! [18:07] (disclaimer: I work for Six Apart) [18:07] we are not here for food [18:07] for sure [18:07] CONCENTRATE EWAN! :) [18:07] we're only here for the beer [18:08] eye, it's ya' wee broo'ther [18:08] Maartens: you work for Sex Apart [18:08] hehe [18:08] tough to be the last speaker of the day... just a very long day and hard to keep the audience at this point... [18:08] Nokia is offering a bottle of Lagavulin ! [18:08] Sex Pad, MovableSex ?! oh no. [18:08] last thought - http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisheuer/70287317/ [18:08] top down and bottom up at the same time [18:08] now *there's* a thought [18:08] * manoupaz has joined #lesblogs [18:08] i thought sex was moveable in design? [18:08] Suw, you have a one track mind [18:08] LiveCamJournal... [18:08] sex? [18:08] like this conference (single track) [18:08] Bottoms up to sex apart! [18:08] dotBen: no no, you're just projecting [18:08] rah [18:08] what is this "projecting"? [18:08] g'nite [18:08] * _neezee has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [18:08] Blog responsibly [18:09] * chrisheuer has quit IRC [18:09] he's good [18:09] god no - not a national sport. look at what happened with the football [18:09] yes, use a condom when blogging [18:09] Don't drink and blog, for example... [18:09] he was good, he was [18:09] EWAN : do you lobbying your vision abroad? [18:09] cheers [18:09] Ewan rocks [18:09] APPLAUDE YOU BASTARDS [18:09] Ewan++ [18:09] yep [18:09] tara - see you for a drink later ;-) [18:09] + [18:09] you're the man [18:09] +++ [18:09] Ewan, can you just talk some more please [18:09] best speaker today apart from christophe the mayor regulator [18:09] Did I hear condom in blogging ? [18:09] don't mind what you say [18:09] big up [18:09] suw++ [18:09] It's awful, isn't. Awful chatters [18:09] * mark_hu has quit IRC (Success) [18:09] yeah if you blog irresponsibly, when they apply for their 1st job, and their prospective employers google them, it could be interesting.. [18:09] just talk and let the sweet voice bring up ideas on other things ... *gg* [18:10] * martinvars has quit IRC [18:10] * WilliamWallace is now known as BenHammersley [18:10] Other things rock [18:10] school is so p0wned [18:10] We would never go of and do other things [18:10] oh no [18:10] never ever ever. [18:10] *cough* [18:10] other things other things other things [18:10] take a wee? [18:10] DRINK! [18:10] on stage? [18:10] dear lord man! [18:10] eye [18:10] smore question to ewan [18:10] If chatting and surfing was allowed in the class, the kids would fact check the teacher with google... [18:10] like in the wee hours... [18:10] Stop it for heaven's sake [18:10] Ben, we'll be doing this for you when you wear your skirt! sorry, kilt [18:10] the teachers would have it as bad as the journalists and politicians [18:10] * NicoleS is now known as NicoleSimon [18:10] ooooh yes. the skirt. [18:10] We're logging IP adresses... [18:10] copyright protection in Scotland is a wee drm afore ye go [18:11] we don't need synonyms to talk about us :) [18:11] oh, you don't think we'd say it in front of other people? [18:11] YEAH - Hammer's in da skirt [18:11] (just got used to me nick) ;) [18:11] BenJammersley++ [18:11] * NicoleSimon is now known as _neezee [18:11] multitasking+++ [18:11] hammersley, can you do a scottish accent tomorrow? [18:11] of coursh [18:11] it'd go with the skirt [18:11] Action man ben (sadly not me) [18:11] wear the skirt Hammersley! [18:12] Your besht Shean Connery? [18:12] I will [18:12] <_neezee> suw well, he sounds better through a telefon, don't mind the accent ;) [18:12] DONKEY: Ooh, Shrek, did you do that? Man, you gotta warn somebody before you just crack one off. My mouth was open and everything. [18:12] SHREK: Believe me, donkey, if it was me, you'd be dead. It is brimstone. We must be getting close. [18:12] can you put on a lady's acent? Like the funny people from Little Britain? [18:12] * manoupaz has quit IRC (Client Quit) [18:12] DONKEY: Yeah right, brimstone. Don't be talking about no brimstone. I know what I smell and it was no brimstone. It come off no stone either. [18:12] We are! [18:12] :) [18:12] We are multi-listeners [18:12] sex weeks [18:12] BLOGGING IS ALL ABOUT CONVERSATION. AND THIS IS CONVERSATION. job done [18:12] I am a laaaady, you know. With my lady's blog, and my lady's gloves... [18:12] my add is happily fed [18:12] he's killing me [18:12] <_neezee> and multi drinkers? [18:12] <_neezee> BenHammersley and you lady clothes. [18:13] they have "sex week" at SCHOOL over there?? [18:13] * m-c has quit IRC [18:13] ;-) [18:13] ooh, no pressure then [18:13] that's a great point [18:13] yes [18:13] we do [18:13] Mr Mc is top [18:13] RMack: yeah - the practical lessons are fantastic [18:13] * mung has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]") [18:13] of course, they can't keep up [18:13] come on...! [18:14] polychronic ? [18:14] by the way is there going to be a compilation of all the ppt's during the conf ? [18:14] mutlidimensional conversation is where it's at [18:14] in PDF ? [18:14] we talk about emotions, and feelings, and... [18:14] hello, video games? [18:14] thouht we were being censored for a moment there.. [18:14] PPts will be burnt in a ceremony later tonioght [18:14] I will put up my preso and Om's video [18:14] oh yes please [18:14] * antoin has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [18:14] thanks jef [18:14] <_neezee> jeff that would be great. [18:14] OMs video, omg [18:14] Another great advert for skype. [18:14] asynchronous, like in ... email? [18:14] in addition to having their app shut down on the network here [18:15] And you guys have not seen the unedited version [18:15] weemac: how do you deal with information overload for kids though? or do they deal with it better than us (where 'us' = 'me')? [18:15] really getting max vaue from their sponsorship [18:15] J_Clavier: where? [18:15] My lap [18:15] whoa [18:15] top [18:15] laptop [18:15] huh? [18:15] what's om doing in your lap [18:15] top? [18:15] they don't know the meaning of overload [18:15] lol [18:15] who taped the unedited version of Om's video ;) ? [18:15] different people overload different ways [18:15] physical == virtual [18:15] whoa [18:15] s/laptop/laptop/g [18:15] I don't get the question [18:15] hey, i think i just saw a glitch in the matrix [18:16] Rodrigo's the man [18:16] with the lap [18:16] top [18:16] wow Jeff is a geek [18:16] and the camera... [18:16] whoduvthunkit? [18:16] so they don't get swamped by information? [18:16] factoryjoe, we were using too many cpu cycles there [18:16] I used to develop in vi with home grown macros that made emacs sissies jaleous [18:17] whoah [18:17] I'm sure you typed uphill both ways in the snow, J_Clavier... [18:17] I all of a sudden see you in a whole new light [18:17] rodrigo : http://forevergeek.com/gadgets/dell_releasing_a_30_lcd.php [18:17] hehe [18:17] * Salim has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [18:17] suw, some get overloaded really easy, others are bored unless there's way too much going on [18:18] identity 2.0: sxip.com [18:18] that makes sense [18:18] yeah education seems ready to be rethunk [18:18] jeff, programming is overrated. I say folks to use vi. [18:18] ethanz> I take it you were using emacs :-) [18:18] rodrigo: if only it were open source [18:18] hohum [18:18] beer time [18:18] still am, J_Clavier... but I don't hold it against you... [18:18] have fun tonight :) see you tomorrow [18:18] oups, last question [18:19] i will go eat some norwegian reindeer now [18:19] or just a norgwegian [18:19] much respect, I am now using outlook, ecto and blogjet [18:19] i mean 'pay' folks. damn t9 [18:19] factoryjoe almost had enough going on there to have fun when we were all going on there a few minutes ago [18:19] or - yeah :> [18:19] some background stuff on open ID systems: http://rodrigo.typepad.com/english/2005/09/what_is_my_digi.html [18:19] otoh, i work with people that have to sit with their backs to the screen if there's anything interactive like SubEtha or IRC going on [18:20] as opposed to open id and ego systems, like this channel? [18:20] (just a couple people, not everybody) but otoh, they're really good at long-term attention [18:20] http://flickr.com/photos/dotben/70538882/ [18:20] re Kevin [18:20] I'm sure jibot could be programmed to be an open superego system if we did some customization... [18:20] * surfnode has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]") [18:20] roll on the boozed! [18:21] loic calls time, day's over [18:21] booze or boozed? [18:21] Pizza. Finger size! [18:21] ethanz: lol [18:21] * m-c has joined #lesblogs [18:22] Bye. See all you pc types later. My thumbs are killing. [18:22] * YmeBosma has quit IRC [18:22] ciao [18:22] Is it rude to get off the podium to get some pizza NOW??? [18:22] * schickr has left #lesblogs ("Tchau") [18:22] <_neezee> till later :) [18:22] freeloader! [18:22] * _neezee has quit IRC [18:22] bye [18:22] hehe [18:22] weemac: not at all [18:22] * gily has left #lesblogs [18:22] come give us a dose of your lovely accent [18:22] * pforret has quit IRC [18:22] weemac - you need to find the dinner if you want someone to feed you... [18:22] * m-c has quit IRC (Client Quit) [18:22] I know where it is - I'm just shy [18:22] hence the importance of the map... [18:23] * dglazkov is going to grab some lunch. 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[18:25] * Suw has quit IRC [18:25] * neilmcintosh has joined #lesblogs [18:26] * PointCom has quit IRC ("Parti") [18:26] * rs_ has joined #lesblogs [18:26] time to fuck off down pub [18:26] * Julie has joined #lesblogs [18:26] Julie is crschmidts rdf bot and at http://crschmidt.net/julie/ and is now threaded [18:27] hello [18:27] * ant0ine has joined #lesblogs [18:27] * photomatt_paris_ has joined #lesblogs [18:27] * photomatt_paris_ is now known as photomatt_paris [18:27] you missed the action I guess, it's all winding down getting ready to wind up for the party tonight, blogging hands all ready [18:28] * neilmcintosh has quit IRC (Client Quit) [18:28] * dotBen has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [18:28] * J_Clavier has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [18:28] * Les has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919]") [18:29] * Disconnected Session Close: Mon Dec 05 18:29:05 2005 Session Start: Tue Dec 06 11:03:53 2005 Session Ident: #lesblogs [11:03] * Now talking in #lesblogs [11:03] * Topic is 'Official backchannel || tag: lesblogs || lesblogs.typepad.com || Planet: lesblogs.webdosbeta.net || Add you to map: www.frappr.com/lesblogs' [11:03] * Set by rvr on Tue Dec 06 10:00:19 [11:03] * Salim has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [11:04] * m-c_ has quit IRC [11:04] * patrickt has quit IRC [11:04] * Frank_M has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.6/20050716]") [11:04] * dotBen has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [11:04] * zeroday has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [11:04] * cyf has quit IRC [11:04] * antoin has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [11:05] perhaps after the break [11:05] * fmahon has quit IRC [11:05] * oliverthylmann has quit IRC [11:05] * pforret has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [11:06] is there a coffee break, or part of the network going down? 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Of to the kitchen to get one myself as well [11:09] i'm on beer here [11:10] and not on Central European time I take it :) [11:10] * kel has quit IRC [11:11] * Chico has quit IRC [11:12] * ant0ine has quit IRC (Client Quit) [11:14] * andrewma has joined #lesblogs [11:14] ?whois KevinMarks [11:14] KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & working at Technorati & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather [11:14] * cfd has joined #lesblogs [11:16] * _JY_ has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [11:16] * _JY_ has joined #lesblogs [11:17] PodGrandFather!!! [11:18] * AndreasHaugstrup has joined #lesblogs [11:18] * smudie has joined #lesblogs [11:18] well, I was involved in DAAP too [11:18] * _JY_ has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [11:19] * ant0ine has joined #lesblogs [11:19] * winsk has joined #lesblogs [11:20] * _JY_ has joined #lesblogs [11:20] * alaz has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [11:21] * JaanusSkype has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [11:22] * JaanusSkype has joined #lesblogs [11:22] * smudie has quit IRC (Client Quit) [11:22] * mcabiling has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [11:22] * patrickt has joined #lesblogs [11:23] * TonWes has joined #lesblogs [11:23] * winsk has quit IRC (Client Quit) [11:23] * Bjoern_Site9 has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [11:24] * Suw has joined #lesblogs [11:24] * _JY_ has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [11:26] what's this music ? [11:27] art of noise - moments in love [11:27] thx [11:27] yo [11:28] nice tune [11:28] * Chico has joined #lesblogs [11:29] so podcasting session and still no live feed [11:30] ok. let's try to have a serious (whatever that means) backchannel. [11:30] * m-c has joined #lesblogs [11:30] * oliverwagner has joined #lesblogs [11:31] yeah, looking forward to this session [11:31] which session is this? [11:31] podcasting et al [11:31] Podcasting, Photo & Video Blogging [11:32] i hope we broadcast it [11:32] * YmeBosma has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [11:32] yeah, me too [11:32] prodcast [11:32] KevinMarks: i could give it a try for you [11:32] * sztahanov has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [11:32] isn't every session recorded anyway? [11:32] OK [11:32] yeah, but kevin's here [11:33] yes, but it's hard to backchannel if you can't hear [11:33] KevinMarks: so tell me how i can do this [11:33] * alaz has joined #lesblogs [11:33] * marc-o has joined #lesblogs [11:33] Time to sit [11:33] run ichat [11:33] i don't really want to turn on sound [11:33] * pforret has joined #lesblogs [11:34] hit the mute button [11:34] http://nevon.typepad.com/nevon/ [11:34] okish [11:34] louder! [11:34] * jstuker has joined #lesblogs [11:34] * olivert has joined #lesblogs [11:34] KevinMarks: on IM? [11:34] http://europe.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/lifeblog/ [11:34] i don't see ya [11:34] * neilmcintosh has joined #lesblogs [11:35] hey neilmcintosh [11:35] * JorisL has joined #lesblogs [11:35] http://www.podemus.com/ [11:35] * schickr has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [11:35] http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/ [11:36] on AIM? [11:36] great work with that, maartens [11:36] * sztahanov has joined #lesblogs [11:36] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [11:36] maartens: what's been the best presentation so far? (Which one should I download?) [11:37] http://www.skema.fr/ [11:37] http://www.readspeaker.com/ [11:38] tre mena's, dries [11:38] hey neil, jam [11:38] try [11:38] er, jem [11:39] * maartens waves from the bandwagon [11:39] * J_Clavier has joined #lesblogs [11:39] hmm, product placement? [11:39] maartens: alright (I could have guessed that ;)) [11:39] * perfectpath_ has joined #lesblogs [11:40] * BenHammersley has joined #lesblogs [11:40] * jemstone has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [11:40] umpts [11:40] can we still use the phone for calls? [11:40] calling is so yesterday [11:40] * kel has joined #lesblogs [11:40] * BenHammersley is in the house [11:40] you still make phone calls? [11:40] calling is sooo 2002 [11:40] what's a phone? [11:40] did you make friends with Marc again, Ben? heh [11:40] N70 ? [11:40] * adecarvalho has joined #lesblogs [11:40] phone 2.0 ? [11:40] * mcabiling has joined #lesblogs [11:41] he sang at me [11:41] it's all good now [11:41] lol [11:41] hey ben [11:41] hey Suw [11:41] hah, in Italian eh? [11:41] http://www.nokia.com/nseries/index.html?loc=inside,main_n90&lang=fr&country=FR [11:41] si [11:41] backchannel ads. [11:41] so, I was late in this morning. I hear it all kicked off [11:42] is this true? [11:42] yup [11:42] yeah, i was late in too, so i also missed the bun fight [11:42] Ben .v. Mina [11:42] is there video? [11:42] i wanna see [11:42] knickers were twisted [11:42] 5€ on mena. [11:42] maartens [11:42] she's a dirty fighter [11:42] Which Ben - not 'our' Ben!!! [11:42] * wavestorm has joined #lesblogs [11:42] no [11:42] well, yes [11:42] Metcalfe [11:42] yes 'our'ben [11:42] maartens: your video is shaking ... [11:42] the one with hair [11:43] "One of our Ben's is missing!" [11:43] * ircleuser has joined #lesblogs [11:43] ircleuser is a newbie who needs to learn how to change his nick [11:43] and no skirt [11:43] * winsk has joined #lesblogs [11:43] i thought this was a podcasting panel?? [11:43] are you beskirted today mr h? [11:43] Silly question from edinburgh, what kicked it all off exactly? [11:43] I am [11:43] what are they discussing now? [11:43] excellent [11:43] * yoco has joined #lesblogs [11:43] Dries: all the time Maarten is typing, his webcam is shaking... (he sits behind me) [11:43] kily++ [11:43] sharing life. [11:43] Ewan_: someone from six apart dropped the f-bom at a bbc employee [11:43] skirt++ [11:43] express themselves. [11:43] the kick off was mena trying to tell us how to be nice [11:44] f-bom? [11:44] bomb [11:44] * photomatt_paris has joined #lesblogs [11:44] we are nice [11:44] sup photomatt_paris [11:44] howdy [11:44] JorisL, maartens: I'm just listening now, because looking at the video makes me dizzy [11:44] http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/Keynote%20Mena%20Trott.wmv [11:44] posting pictures of your girlfriend = expressing oneself? [11:44] that always pisses me off [11:44] * Salim has joined #lesblogs [11:44] nokia | your life | market. [11:44] * cyf has joined #lesblogs [11:44] who is anyone to tell me to be nice? i'll be nice when i damn well want. [11:44] hi Matt [11:44] Suw: what does? [11:44] ah [11:44] admittedly, that's most of the time, but tha'ts not the point. [11:44] exactly [11:45] it wasn't being told to be nice that i objected to [11:45] * _neezee has joined #lesblogs [11:45] _neezee is Nicole Simon from usefulsounds.com and crueltobeking.org and as nice as jeannie. [11:45] it's like 'someone was mean to me, so nyou must all play nice'. it's bollocks. [11:45] it was more than just be nice -- it was really, don't be two-faced [11:45] <_neezee> morning [11:45] lifeblog posting protocol - http://cognections.typepad.com/lifeblog/2004/12/lifeblog_postin.html [11:45] it was being told *how* to be nice [11:45] it's all about not taking yourself / ourselves too seriously [11:45] yeah [11:45] * ircleuser has quit IRC (Client Quit) [11:45] tara++ [11:45] don't be snarky online, if you wouldn't be offline [11:45] they should give some for free, isn'it? [11:45] peterkaminski: but two faced people don't generally realise they are being two faced [11:45] yeah (say's the man with his arse on his blog) [11:45] if one does (*cough* mena *cough*), they should be snarked/teased/etc [11:45] yeah, suw [11:45] loosen 'em up! [11:45] was mena in here yesterday? [11:45] <_neezee> ys [11:45] confabulation is a poweful force [11:45] i mean, the backchannel? [11:45] * fmahon has joined #lesblogs [11:46] careful tara ... you might get called out ! [11:46] hi! [11:46] * schenkm has joined #lesblogs [11:46] your phone is all you need to express yourself! :) [11:46] hey fmahon [11:46] <_neezee> factoryjoe she hates it - i doubt she participate [11:46] * Ewan_ has quit IRC (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new age") [11:46] pricing. [11:46] hmm [11:46] it would be so nice if everyone was smart, kind, thoughtful and honest. [11:46] * imajes has joined #lesblogs [11:46] pricing, IPO next? [11:46] i guess she watched dotben projected? [11:46] but that's so never gonna happen [11:46] hello! [11:46] hey james [11:46] imajes: hey [11:46] i liked that mena said what she said, and i like that dotBen says what he says [11:47] let's be serious. we are back onscreen. [11:47] mena is meaner offline? [11:47] it was tres exciting! [11:47] peterkaminski: at least we're still allowed to say such things [11:47] Mena got asked a question about Drupal (listening to it) [11:47] factoryjoe, yes, that's the important thing [11:47] artist: not serious people? [11:47] and i think mena surfaced a good topic, and had the guts to do it in front of a bunch of bloggers [11:47] <_neezee> well, i already had two 'newer' to this space who where set of very much about what happened in here as in they find it quite childish - and one asked the question wheather or not these rolemodels really get people into blogging .. [11:47] * neilmcintosh has quit IRC [11:47] everyone is an artist and doesn't even know it [11:48] * EZToms has joined #lesblogs [11:48] porn [11:48] PORN [11:48] PORN [11:48] PORN [11:48] It's not art, it's porn [11:48] benhammersley: DRINK! [11:48] FECK [11:48] GIRLS [11:48] peterkaminski: hmm [11:48] i mean [11:48] this speech would benefit from a synced backchannel [11:48] should the backchannel have been called out? [11:48] * howard has joined #lesblogs [11:48] howard is Howard Rheingold and at http://www.rheingold.com/ and blogs at http://www.smartmobs.com/ [11:48] so where is the audio feed? :) [11:48] yeah, my blog is art *and* serious *and* porn [11:49] oh that's art, now I get it [11:49] you missed the ARSE session ben [11:49] i mean wouldn't "fuck the backchannel" have been more accurate? [11:49] * Lanfeust21 has joined #lesblogs [11:49] factoryjoe: I need that as a t-shirt [11:49] bubbles [11:49] * aa has joined #lesblogs [11:49] well, i am happy to see the speakers push back on the back channel, if that doesn't sound too rude [11:49] <_neezee> lloyd i still have this picture in my head and i am not sure i won't that *g* [11:49] nice [11:49] what did I miss? [11:49] http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051205-5689.html [11:49] ooooooooo [11:49] <_neezee> bubblts [11:49] cfd what are they saying now? [11:49] * tariq_netvibes has joined #lesblogs [11:49] the point of the backchannel is that you can heckle without interrupting [11:49] <_neezee> hi tarik [11:49] the beamers really need to be focussed, I'm in the fourth row and it's hardly readable [11:49] well, it's also so you can add more information, and ask questions, and generally contribute if you want to [11:49] neezee - hey I have to look at it every morning [11:49] <_neezee> KevinMarks but not if it is on the screen at the same time [11:49] the "beamers" [11:50] heh [11:50] oh i remember the heckle when nokia presented at reboot [11:50] especially with the lights on them [11:50] more importantly, it's about figuring who the hell is who, and whno you want to go for a drink with later [11:50] yes, exactly if it is [11:50] hi tariq_netvibes ;) [11:50] ok video projectors then :) [11:50] suw: totally [11:50] we need hecklebot [11:50] <_neezee> KevinMarks i love it here, i use it, but i don't think it should be ont he screen. everybody wants to join, joins. [11:50] back, netbounce [11:50] i am in two minds about having it on the screen [11:50] content should not be edited! [11:50] <_neezee> raymond christians point about the ipod was cool. [11:51] sometimes i think it's really good, if people pick up on stuff from the backchannel that's either amusing or relevant, but sometimes... meh. [11:51] what point? i am not in paris.. [11:51] cfd: why not [11:51] <_neezee> raymond i talked yesterday with thomas about next reboot and i am already excited again ;) [11:51] random heckle: what about the custard? [11:51] cool _neezee! [11:51] i woudl liek to hear the podcasting panel, as heckling mena with a lag is nto really sensible [11:51] perfectpath_: that's for my sessions [11:51] what's wrong about editing content [11:51] KevinMarks: i've got ichat running [11:51] it may improve the content [11:51] <_neezee> suw yes, best of on the screen, enhancing - wonderful. just hackeling along - not really. at least not at the screen [11:51] he has. i can see it. [11:51] kel: nothing. was joking. [11:51] can't see you [11:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Marcel_Duchamp_Mona_Lisa_LHOOQ.jpg [11:51] i think the backchannel is really important, and it should be projected so it doesn't get *too* snarky [11:51] surreal heckle: the lobsters have my wristwatch [11:52] I'm kevinmarks@mac.com on aim [11:52] art [11:52] peterkaminski++ [11:52] * Eevsham has joined #lesblogs [11:52] like we talked about yesterday, we're gunna be snarky anyway [11:52] might as well do it in public [11:52] cfd: ah, I'm to serious - may have had to many G&T's yesterday [11:52] * Suw secretly enjoys some snarkiness [11:52] to keep the snarking somewhat useful [11:52] <_neezee> peterkaminski if this is 'holding back because not snarky because on the screen, i don't know. [11:52] it's totally useful [11:52] "hi my name is joe and i'm a snarkaholic" [11:52] * neXter^work has joined #lesblogs [11:52] hi joe [11:52] welcom [11:53] which aim, chris? [11:53] hi joe [11:53] um [11:53] same as my irc handle [11:53] keep coming back [11:53] kel: irony and hangover don't go well together... ;) [11:53] could someone please just give snippets of keywords of what they are talking about on the stage, you know, out there in meatspace [11:53] which does makes me ask. wtf is going on on that righthand screen? [11:53] what is the point of that? [11:53] Snarkaholism disrupts uber earnestness [11:53] yes, we will try that dltq. [11:53] tara++ [11:53] :> [11:53] <_neezee> suw that is video ;) [11:53] * neilmcintosh has joined #lesblogs [11:53] She is a little scary [11:53] yeah, who's controller the right beamer? [11:53] but...... why? [11:53] yeach moving pictures [11:53] human podcasting? [11:53] speaking about converting text to audio. [11:54] realspeaker. [11:54] * BenHammersley has left #lesblogs [11:54] mooving picatyers? [11:54] <_neezee> suw because the topic and at least two on the panel are about video. :) [11:54] as opposed to what? [11:54] http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43029 RIAA Bans Telling Friends About Songs [11:54] on the right side? seems to be art... [11:54] is search a problem with audio? [11:54] * _JY_ has joined #lesblogs [11:54] yes, but what does random video do to help us, the audience member? [11:54] http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051205-5689.html Does the FBI have the authority to regulate software? [11:54] and with video? [11:54] * BenHammersley has joined #lesblogs [11:54] seems to be? ha ha ha [11:54] i think search will improve, but text will always be easier [11:54] http://videoblogs.mobize.com/2005/12/06/podcasting-photo-video-blogging/ [11:54] Riya is working on video [11:54] you mean the video vs the 1500 arse jokes during the previous panel? [11:54] <_neezee> there is a frappr mapp, nice. [11:54] taging a timeline. [11:54] no matter how many face-recognition systems we create searching video wont be the same [11:55] i first thought that is was the show from the guy on the left from Xolo.tv [11:55] Searching the video for faces, etc. [11:55] searching by phonemes - that's the way [11:55] * JorisL_ has joined #lesblogs [11:55] time-based tagging [11:55] KevinMarks: no idea [11:55] Hey Joris! [11:55] tag spanning [11:55] nokia is tagging contents (context info) [11:55] time location [11:55] * BenHammersley will scream the next time anyone mentions tagging as the solution to anything [11:55] tagging in video will rock. [11:56] scream!! [11:56] * antoin has joined #lesblogs [11:56] antoin is in Ireland and blogging at http://www.eire.com/ and on fon and always welcomed in the great DPRK [11:56] * cfd tagging BenHammersley [11:56] tagging rocks [11:56] aaaaarghhh [11:56] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [11:56] heckles should be tagged :-p [11:56] benhammersley: what's up with your tag-hate? [11:56] geotagging [11:56] tag my tagcloud [11:56] tag you're it [11:56] plazes++ [11:56] geotagging .... drooooooool [11:56] ooh! Granite! [11:56] Plazes! Plazes! [11:56] granite? [11:56] he just misses RDF being the solution to everything [11:57] part of the conference pack should be dogtags to everyone [11:57] tag 2.0 [11:57] tagorific! [11:57] geotagging isn't tagging - it's putting lat/long on stuff. stop the semantic shift now! [11:57] <_neezee> is anyones plazes working here? [11:57] geotagging - helping pedophiles worldwide [11:57] * JorisL has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [11:57] tags are degenerate [11:57] lol andreas [11:57] putting thing on stuff = tagging. [11:57] * JorisL_ is now known as JorisL [11:57] I'm a degenerate [11:57] <_neezee> ben it is a different kind of tagging [11:57] tara: that's why i like them [11:57] exactly [11:57] <_neezee> tag is not just tag words [11:57] i think we sould bring tagging into the real world, from grocery to large surface stores [11:57] it's good to distinguish between social tagging and automatic tagging, too [11:57] * oliverwagner has quit IRC [11:57] well shit, if you're going to make the term so wide, it's meaningless [11:57] RFID? [11:57] absolutely [11:57] it's not so wide, ben [11:58] BenHammersley: and what's wrong with spouting meaningless drivel? huh? [11:58] geo is something else [11:58] large tags sucks... [11:58] we've hardly scratched the surface of tagging [11:58] tagging countries [11:58] <_neezee> ben it _is_ a wide term already so limiting it to "oh it is just about this" is like taking the word "speak" and limit it to podcast [11:58] then what's rocks? I wanna start a new ap - flickr and geological assays [11:58] good point peterkaminski, but how can we easily add metadata to video? [11:58] continent [11:58] Suw: nothing, I aim to do it for a living, but at least with some semblance of internal consistency [11:58] trying to stuff structure into tags is missing the point [11:58] dltq: SMIL [11:58] it'd be called Up Your Bedrock [11:58] how come kevin? [11:58] SMIL-- [11:58] oh ben, such a spoilsport. [11:58] KevinMarks: agreed [11:58] no structure! [11:58] however the mf for SMIL would be good, no? [11:58] for example [11:58] KM ... I agree... [11:58] is metatagging tagging? [11:58] yeah I know SMIL, but it ain't exactly userfriendly yet [11:58] * winsk has quit IRC [11:59] * factoryjoe runs to fetch example [11:59] no structure is structure of its own - discuss [11:59] don't you think there's a demand for knowing what rock you're standing on? [11:59] come on guys, run with it [11:59] tags create metadata [11:59] the point of tags is lwered cognitive load for the tagger [11:59] yes [11:59] dltq, auto-tagging is cool, it just needs to be differentiated from a person looking at something and tagging it [11:59] yeah [11:59] SMIL is overblown [11:59] * maartens has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [11:59] the point of tagging is to slightly increase the chances of me finding something ever again [11:59] * schenkm is now known as maartens [11:59] KevinMarks: what is the solution in your point of view? [11:59] what about italians, then ? :) [11:59] there is a usable subset which is a sequence of media items, but SMIL is a crap way of expressing it [11:59] if Japanese schoolgirls aren't tagging, I'm not doing it [11:59] Italians need videoblogs [12:00] playlists are simple [12:00] * neilmcintosh has quit IRC [12:00] but japanese schoolgirls wear skirts, ben [12:00] Who is that in the pic? [12:00] so do I [12:00] http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Japanese+schoolgirls+tagging&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 [12:00] argh... I repeat... tagging is an excellent effort, but it's for text/video/audio... I predict it'll always be limited to that realm (in its current form) [12:00] ok ok [12:00] editing is hard [12:00] http://www.echochamberproject.com/node/692 [12:00] so SMIL is not the way to go [12:00] however [12:00] kent's needs are interesting [12:00] w/r/t video blogging [12:01] kent's project is great imo [12:01] if you want to edit audio, you need smaple accuracy [12:01] kentbye++ [12:01] BenHammersley: there's always structure - "something" is always "something" in relation to "something else". It's just a matter of whether there are any rules or schemas [12:01] SMIL does nto deliver that [12:01] use QuickTime [12:01] he is [12:01] Marc Canter is spleeping AGAIN!! [12:01] too much singing [12:01] lol [12:01] but there is a role for sequences of media - playlists [12:01] BenHammersley: photo time! [12:01] Andreas: I know, I'm in Paris, I'm allowed to be pretentiously pomo [12:01] that's not good. [12:01] I'm right behind him... any suggestions? [12:01] Salim: watch out for the glare [12:01] tickle? [12:02] balance things on his head [12:02] <_JY_> that's just relaxing before his show [12:02] shhhhh CharlesN, don't wake him up [12:02] This should be like a gong show. Marc sleeps, we change the panel... [12:02] whipped cream in the hand, tickle his nose [12:02] we could all sneak out [12:02] everyone leave, *really* quietly [12:02] new website: Things I Balanced On Mark Canter [12:02] oi oi - i glare just as much... [12:02] :) [12:02] BenHammersley: So because I'm in a northern Denmark I have to be the annoying brat? [12:02] tara: I'm close enough... [12:02] <_neezee> be nice or i wake him up. [12:02] got whip? [12:02] Andreas: yes, also very very flat [12:02] I'm in california, do I have to be laid back? [12:02] lol [12:02] sort humor [12:02] can someone could put the live videostream on Marc? [12:02] sorry nee... we'll be good... [12:02] BenHammersley: Helps my outlook :) [12:02] JorisL++ [12:03] I can hear him, sleeping ;) [12:03] neezee, you are just such a spoilsport [12:03] can we vlog marccanterissleeping? [12:03] see if he can sleep thorugh suw's panel [12:03] start with something light, like a pencil or a pen [12:03] But Nokia, Sony et al didn't set MP3 as the standard [12:03] Joe: totally [12:03] KevinMarks: he's on suw's panel [12:03] is he snorring? [12:03] KevinMarks: that would be wonderful, yes [12:03] so what is the panel discussing?:> [12:03] exactly [12:03] Users did [12:03] <_neezee> i use just one format for video - none [12:03] not yet [12:03] <_neezee> no he does not snore [12:03] factoryjoe: yes, that's why it would be so great [12:03] I use m4v [12:03] KevinMarks: have you talked to kentbye? [12:03] i use 3ivx on .mov [12:03] mac users a makority ? [12:03] <_neezee> suw are you after a break? [12:03] * cfd tags MarcCanter: sleep [12:03] mpeg4 - universal [12:03] majority [12:03] ffs [12:03] * winsk has joined #lesblogs [12:04] uh oh uh oh... CharlesN takes action.... [12:04] JUST USE MPEG [12:04] http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/43969190/in/set-272946/ [12:04] * BenHammersley needs to eat something, or else he'll go mad [12:04] get my browser to auto-start the mpeg4 and i will use it [12:04] i'm after dinner [12:04] * wavestorm has quit IRC [12:04] that was mean... [12:04] mpeg4++ [12:04] ha ha ha [12:04] good call. [12:04] BenHammersley: 'go'? [12:04] i'm vblogging it [12:04] dltq - install quicktime [12:04] Suw: more [12:05] LOL kevin [12:05] better [12:05] or VLC [12:05] * kel has quit IRC [12:05] <_neezee> he's awake again. [12:05] CharlesN: are you behind me to the right? [12:05] KevinMarks: QT doesn't register with .mp4 files in the browser plugin - didn't use to at least [12:05] andreas, perhaps you can explain why mpeg4 isnt pragmatically ideal for videoblogging just yet? or maybe it is and I am just stuck within .movhell [12:06] mpeg4 and mov are easily converted [12:06] * _JY_ has quit IRC (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) [12:06] KevinMarks: ...could be bad server configs too (serving .mp4 as text/plain) [12:06] yes [12:06] seriously: http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70492753/ [12:06] * winsk has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:06] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codec [12:06] * AndreasHaugstrup is happy using mov [12:06] mov is fine too [12:06] <_neezee> well, i can't play anything quicktime at the moment as the software will not install - at all. or a previous version. [12:06] * marccanter has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [12:06] so we need standardization in media formats [12:06] but m4v is a standard [12:06] use whatever. [12:06] * neilmcintosh has joined #lesblogs [12:06] see ya marccanter [12:06] * _JY_ has joined #lesblogs [12:07] and has reasonable licensing terms compared to mp3 [12:07] "marccanter left the chat room. (Connection timed out)" = sleep? [12:07] standardization? schmanderization.. [12:07] I like animated gifs [12:07] http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/31384176/in/set-272946/ [12:07] KevinMarks: I like playing with stuff like adding links to video. I have to use MOV (the video is MPEG4, but wrapped in MOV with other crap) [12:07] do services like youtube convert from 1 format into another or just put a flash wrapper around it? [12:07] sounds and moving pictures are way too much problem. [12:07] pforret: convert to FLV, I think [12:07] Again, I think MOV is fine, but others don't always get it [12:08] yeah fuck video, we will keep it at morse [12:08] MOV and MP4 are editable [12:08] flash, real, and wmv aren't [12:08] exactly [12:08] morse? bit high tech. I like vellum [12:08] <_JY_> animated ASCII art is the next video standard [12:08] how do you mean? (I'm not the most technical...) [12:08] I had to use a screengrabber to get the bloody real clip edited [12:08] i can easily edit your .mov or mp4 but not your flv [12:09] benhammersley: vellum rocks [12:09] flv, real and wmv are video roach motels [12:09] internet is way too complicated, should not exist. [12:09] * crosswick_ has joined #lesblogs [12:09] * oliverwagner has joined #lesblogs [12:09] will it explose? [12:09] they cna't be edited without major pain [12:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vellum [12:09] we don't want major pain if we are to go SpeedVlogging [12:09] QT was designed to be edited in 1990, and always has been editable [12:10] 7 minutes to make a vlog, encoding included, *evil* [12:10] JY: http://aa-project.sourceforge.net/gallery/ [12:10] designed by Kevin, lest we forget [12:10] not by me at that point [12:10] yeah, one big issue is encoding eh? [12:10] not. [12:10] we got videos from the last superhappydevhouse [12:10] that was Bruce Leak and Jim Batson [12:10] and it took two weeks to get them rendered as mp4 files [12:10] saying encoding is the big issue is like saying "I'll be a good writer when I have a nice pen" [12:10] 3ivx solves all my encoding issues. it even works with the video ipod. h.264 can go to hades [12:10] are we creating a wayne's world video generation ? [12:11] nice pen rulez! [12:11] BenHammersley: but i will! [12:11] the big issue is that this stuff is *hard* - artistically [12:11] nice big powerbook too. [12:11] wayne's world. party on! [12:11] Schwiiiing! [12:11] BenHammersley: i'm talking more about just getting the content out there [12:11] it's not just hard, it takes loads of time. [12:11] the previous mpe4 is OK too [12:11] it's much less direct than blogging because of all the technical processing [12:11] which isn't quite the same thing. [12:11] * olivert has quit IRC [12:11] my son cna edit video [12:11] it doesn't, i can screencast right now how i make and encode my vlog if you want [12:11] Editing sucks [12:11] and he's 10 [12:11] KevinMarks: *your* son [12:11] kevin, your children are no reference point for the rest of the world. [12:12] haha [12:12] KevinMarks: i don't mean editing [12:12] and yes, ben's also right [12:12] you know, the son of the guy who used to work in the QT team at Apple [12:12] your sons can outdrive me on segways [12:12] actually, christopher was using iMovie when he was 3 [12:12] and outplay me at Sonic the Hedgehog, no doubt [12:12] of course videoblogging is much more complicated than text blogging. but to be honest it IS easier to Show that beautiful zebra than try to explain how the colours interact on its fur [12:12] if you can save a word document, you can compress a video. It's a matter of clicking "export" instead of "save" [12:12] because it is just 'drag the clips into order' [12:12] Are screencasts videoblogging? [12:13] urr, can be [12:13] i own www.screenvlog.com [12:13] copy the video in word, save as RTF? [12:13] :D [12:13] <_neezee> dltq yes and no. a picture will do better. [12:13] Over The Air configuration is available [12:13] probbaly nto sonic, thats before their time [12:13] http://flickr.com/photos/bees/57393952/ [12:13] Halo, yes [12:13] _neezee not if the colours interact only in movement [12:13] we need a microsofto tool to simplify vlogging. [12:13] Halo is much more fun than Sonic anyway [12:13] indeed, cfd [12:13] andrew took up claymation [12:14] AndreasHaugstrup++ [12:14] he's awake! [12:14] http://homepage.mac.com/kevinmarks/wizard.m4v [12:14] typepad using egg..something or other. havent tried it much. anyone using it regularly? [12:14] very [12:14] he speaks! [12:14] it lives!! [12:14] dltq: try http://www.blogologie.be [12:14] stop downloading video, protect our bandwidth [12:14] * yoco has quit IRC [12:14] it's alive [12:14] My Typepad site [12:14] yeah, what he said [12:14] With a bunch of videoegg posts on it [12:14] kids know tag and mpeg. [12:14] Works quite well... [12:14] fab... great comment... [12:15] to paraphrase: "tomorrow's kids don't give a hoot about format, they want interesting content that plays. period." [12:15] cool maartens [12:15] yes [12:15] * jasoncalacanis has joined #lesblogs [12:15] jasoncalacanis is http://calacanis.weblogsinc.com and the guy Nick Denton hates [12:15] andrew uses http://funnyjunk.com [12:15] videoegg is one way towards simplifying, now all i want is a nice little link to an editable version [12:15] <_neezee> ?def jasoncalacanis and who cancels speaking at conferences at last minute [12:15] Nobody has defined jasoncalacanis and who cancels speaking at conferences at last minute yet [12:15] * marccanter has joined #lesblogs [12:15] hi, jason! [12:15] Funny jibot message... i think that's an old one [12:16] jason in da house [12:16] hey everyone [12:16] really sorry [12:16] instead of here [12:16] * howard has quit IRC [12:16] but i've got like 17 bosses now [12:16] you're not here jason? [12:16] I am not in Paris :-( [12:16] also http://i-am-bored.com [12:16] blame it on AOL - perfect! [12:16] jason Chirac misses you [12:16] ?fight KevinMarks [12:16] KevinMarks and BenHammersley go at it like hammer and tongs [12:16] * jibot pulls KevinMarks off BenHammersley [12:16] what is the panel discussing now? [12:16] heiko pointed: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051205/nym208.html?.v=26 [12:16] It's too difficult to produce [12:16] <_neezee> jasoncalacanis this you know since a few days, right. [12:16] well, there are some things going on over here you may have heard about in the news... [12:17] ?shirt BenHammersley [12:17] Weblogs will fact-check BenHammersley's ... http://www.cafeshops.com/mirandablog.6314725 [12:17] podcast are for the car. [12:17] last time i consumed a video blog while driving i got ticketed [12:17] wtf [12:17] <_JY_> Is da house in Paris? [12:17] Both podcasts and videoblogs require more attention - and pre-download [12:17] audio podcasts are for the car [12:17] * jemstone has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [12:17] i think people will just let it run in the background. [12:17] or the bike or train [12:17] ?learn tagging is overrated [12:17] tagging is one of many possible activities all for the same goal: some activities include 1) act of "tagging" a flickr photo; 2) a del.icio.us bookmark added with a tag; 3) the categorization associated with your blog entries within some blogging software. and also working for small community or small set of data and becomes ineffective with large numbers of people or data. and overrated [12:17] sure, but I have to consciously plan to listen to them [12:17] <_neezee> tara we have already somebody in austria streaming podcasts on your choice on your phone [12:17] pre-download can be automated while you sleep but yeah, not Instant Gratification [12:17] there's a different style of tv-watching in the US from europe. [12:17] k... [12:17] audiopodcasts are for in the car... unless you live in a city, then they are for teh subway/bike [12:18] but they are alos for the treadmill [12:18] ah - Chris Messina is factoryJoe [12:18] audio podcast are for all means of transportation, and how many people use the car, bus, metro, bike, or just walk to work? [12:18] is there a video stream? [12:18] <_neezee> tara that probably works with video as well [12:18] nope [12:18] these are are potential podcast listeners [12:18] I work at home... [12:18] No drive, no walk... [12:18] no stream. just this silly backchannel. [12:18] I totally want to tune in [12:18] I love content [12:18] Problog: tell Chirac I'll see him at Davos... [12:18] * jalonso has joined #lesblogs [12:18] jalonso is Julio Alonso and founder of Weblogs SL, www.weblogssl.com [12:18] <_neezee> m-c i have a communte of about 5 min .. [12:18] _neezee won't release the bandwidth [12:18] (silly as in funny) [12:18] Kneel before Zogcast [12:18] loic said : we have to be nice with the network [12:18] I'd like video podcasting, if it allows me to watch relevant tv items while underway. I don't watch tv much anymore, except as streams on the net, after they are aired [12:18] * JorisL has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.5/2005111116]") [12:18] Weblogs, SL... that'sa division of Weblogs, Inc. right? [12:18] So for me, podcasts are a waste of time... I can read way more than I can listen in five minutes [12:18] hi Jason [12:18] Scanning! [12:18] * marccanter has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:18] i never have time to listen to podcasts [12:19] <_neezee> kevin if they earn at it, and with others shared, they will. [12:19] no, that's the parent company :) [12:19] I scan my feeds [12:19] <_neezee> maartens fine. [12:19] suw: on the tube [12:19] read.io is a plazes-related project [12:19] I like the BBC podcasts [12:19] Weblogs, SL is the best international version of Weblogs, Inc. IMO [12:19] * sillygwailo has left #lesblogs [12:19] clap clap clap [12:19] a lot of poeple listen to podcast while working also, loads of my listeners [12:19] i like to watch jay dedman pick up a cockroach and let it free in nature [12:19] * oliverwagner has quit IRC [12:19] In Our Time rules [12:19] km: i'd rather listen to music [12:19] * fmahon has quit IRC [12:19] clap [12:19] BenHammersley: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70818067/ [12:19] * mcabiling has quit IRC (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong") [12:19] * ant0ine has quit IRC ("This computer has gone to sleep") [12:19] we've got about 12 podcasts right now [12:19] podcasts are only interesting to me as "sound pictures" of events etc. And to get extra clues to what people feel around a topic. Spoken words work better than text in that sense [12:19] three make money [12:19] nine are fun [12:19] was that re.io? [12:19] read.io is not plazes related ... but felix did help out [12:19] ah ok [12:19] ok [12:20] felix told me about [12:20] factoryjoe: :) [12:20] so, you don't listen to podcasts 'cos you're too busy making them, suw? [12:20] * jalonso has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:20] jason: when will you do some videoblogs? [12:20] factoryjoe: I need that shirt [12:20] I heard Loic is really upset at me.... [12:20] I need it now [12:20] * cyf has quit IRC [12:20] jasoncalacanis> Julio is pleased you said that [12:20] we have a couple of video blogs [12:20] yeah [12:20] lol [12:20] :D [12:20] a commented summary of the conference there [12:20] * patrickt has quit IRC [12:20] www.tuaw.com and www.dvguru.com are doing video [12:20] http://videoblogs.mobize.com/2005/12/06/podcasting-photo-video-blogging/ [12:20] * TonWes has quit IRC ("to lunch") [12:20] * _JY_ has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [12:20] Yes, he is pissed [12:20] howeveer, i have not been promoting it much [12:20] KevinMarks: hah [12:20] oh, yeah, dvguru. didnt realise they were yours heh [12:20] * Salim has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [12:20] becasuse i dont want anyone to catch on :-) [12:20] * perfectpath_ has left #lesblogs [12:20] bandwidth hogs mweh [12:20] * _neezee has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [12:21] I don't listen to many podcasts [12:21] bandwidth?!?!?! who pays for bandwidth!? [12:21] i am addicted to IT Conversations [12:21] * surfnode has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [12:21] just dump those files on an AOL server and be done with it :-) [12:21] * jyri has quit IRC [12:21] * neilmcintosh has quit IRC [12:21] have you guys seen Weblogs, SL's traffic? [12:21] and with that, Jason realises the hole in the business plan [12:21] very impressive [12:21] AOL do have a free hosting service they are quiet about [12:22] oh snap... did i just annouce the AOL free hosting service... dang [12:22] lol [12:22] the photo hosting one lets you post arbitrarily big binary files [12:22] well free not necessarily = secure, 99.99 % uptime etc [12:22] someone turn off the backchannel and delete the irc log! [12:22] KevinMarks: where? [12:22] oh im logging this, and will screencast snippets on dltq.org [12:22] * cfd has left #lesblogs [12:22] is that the sound of AOL heavies coming down the corridor? [12:23] * andrewma has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [12:23] did Mena annouce that I was leaving AOL to be CEO of SixApart yet? [12:23] but - what is the panel discussing? [12:23] * BenHammersley fears for Jason [12:23] (not sure ifthe press release hit over in Paris yet) [12:23] mena was too busy swearing [12:23] jasoncalacanis: you want to fight too? [12:24] * pforret has quit IRC [12:24] i'm a lover not a figher [12:24] hi jasoncalacanis :) [12:24] * m-c has quit IRC [12:24] oh my [12:24] loic was joking lol [12:24] If Loic wants me tofight someone I'll do it for him... [12:24] dltq, it's lunch break right now [12:24] who would he like me to fight with?!?!?! [12:24] ahhhh lunch [12:24] * adecarvalho has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [12:24] * BenHammersley has quit IRC [12:24] thumb food again [12:25] or so I hear [12:25] * aa has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [12:25] oh, waiting for the video to be uploaded to http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/ then :) [12:25] someone send me a video link to jason at calacanis dot com [12:25] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [12:25] * jstuker has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [12:25] the sessions are there, the rest will come there too [12:25] if maartens keeps at it :> [12:25] * sztahanov has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [12:25] au revoir, off to mingle [12:25] * peterkaminski has left #lesblogs [12:26] uh oh, 2 hour lunchbreak? [12:26] au revoir mon amis [12:26] ciao [12:26] kevin: you're in paris [12:26] KevinMarks: yuppers [12:26] :-) [12:26] au revoir jason [12:26] and stay off the wikipedia [12:26] don't you start editing me [12:27] * crosswick has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [12:27] * jstuker has joined #lesblogs [12:27] hey man [12:27] I'm keeping up [12:27] i just makde a CGI of me at Pc Forum in 98 [12:27] I'm uploading the video of the podcasting panel right now [12:27] http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/ [12:27] talking about XML enclosures [12:27] i'm getting my name up there [12:27] (I set an upload limit in the FTP client, so it won't kill the network) [12:27] nice [12:27] btw: that was kind of nuts how Adam whacked KM out of the wikipedia [12:28] KM? [12:28] * maartens is off to lunch [12:28] oh, nevermind [12:28] * problog has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [12:28] * AndreasHaugstrup follows the soap sometimes [12:28] I have my mate Richard Turnnidge's iPod/Tivo invention from 1991 [12:28] listen... Al Gore owns all your asses [12:29] you all owe him a royalty [12:29] * Lanfeust21 has quit IRC ("dormir encore dormir !") [12:29] http://flickr.com/photos/kevinmarks/tags/richardturnnidge/ [12:30] ooo [12:30] * alaz has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.5/2005111116]") [12:31] * andrewma has joined #lesblogs [12:32] maartens: site nearer the front after lunch [12:32] * Suw has quit IRC [12:33] * sztahanov has joined #lesblogs [12:34] * treb has quit IRC [12:35] * doransky has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [12:36] * Rev` has joined #lesblogs [12:37] * Rev` is now known as Eddy_lebisou [12:37] * Eddy_lebisou is now known as Lebisou [12:37] Hello =) [12:37] * marc-o has quit IRC [12:37] Hey Lebisou [12:38] Are you in Paris? [12:38] * dltq watching Mena Trott's presentation [12:38] dltq, no, Lyon ;) [12:38] ooo? [12:38] * J_Clavier has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [12:38] well, jump on the TGV [12:39] dltq> I don't understand verry well english :/ [12:39] * tara going for lunch [12:39] the conference is good ? [12:39] ahh no problem, my francois is worse. i just learned German in education. I am in Oslo, Norway myself [12:39] * tariq_netvibes has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [12:39] ok [12:40] sautez sure le TGV [12:40] lol [12:40] =) [12:40] * jyri has joined #lesblogs [12:40] * jyri has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:40] I'm a blogger, but i don't understand the importance of this conference [12:40] ... [12:40] ah [12:41] I don't think the conference is relevant for all bloggers [12:41] * antoin has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [12:41] * jyri has joined #lesblogs [12:41] * CharlesN has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [12:41] dltq, do you find it interesting ? [12:41] * tara has quit IRC [12:41] * jyri has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:42] But for some of us, it is really interesting to meet some of the other bloggers whose blogs you have followed for some time. Myself, I could not attend Les Blogs, but I am here, tuning in, because I am interested in the discussions [12:42] ok [12:42] what's your blog url ? [12:42] * jemstone has quit IRC [12:43] oh, I am http://dltq.org - mostly it is a videoblog. you? [12:43] * sztahanov has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [12:43] * sztahanov has joined #lesblogs [12:43] * photomatt_paris has quit IRC (Excess Flood) [12:44] * JaanusSkype has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [12:44] * mygdal has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [12:44] * fernandabrazil has quit IRC [12:45] http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051205/nym208.html?.v=26 [12:46] Podcast is word of the year - Hammersley will be totally insufferable now... [12:46] oh im waiting for when videoblogging is word of the year - but by then it will be called currycasting I guess [12:47] my blog is in french [12:47] www.lebisou.com [12:47] * jstuker has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [12:48] "sudoku" has had way more influence this year [12:49] currycasting is the bollywood version... [12:49] * whiskey_kitten has joined #lesblogs [12:49] bonjour! [12:50] salut whiskey_kitten [12:50] howzit [12:50] :) [12:50] so you lots are all having lunchies? 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[13:03] * God is now known as TheBen [13:03] well, it depends [13:03] today. [13:03] ben, old fruit [13:03] http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051205/nym208.html?.v=26 [13:03] |I'm the tall one with no hair, not the short argumentative one [13:03] heheh [13:04] :) [13:04] KevinMarks! FUCK YEAH! [13:04] * whiskey_kitten decides to go lie in the sun instead [13:04] hey KM [13:04] you're meant to be sleeping [13:04] *stern look* [13:04] I had to tell ben [13:04] * TheBen invented the word of the year lalalalala [13:05] what word was that? [13:05] and which year? [13:05] bet they cite adam curry [13:05] * vowe has quit IRC [13:05] ;) [13:05] http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051205/nym208.html?.v=26 [13:05] probably [13:05] but we'll know [13:05] oh [13:05] and besides, Curry admitted your role, finally [13:05] bastard [13:05] heeh [13:05] *cough* [13:05] :-) [13:05] * whiskey_kitten curls up on KevinMarks's lap [13:05] *purrs* [13:05] ?learn TheBen is BenHammersley [13:05] TheBen is BenHammersley [13:06] http://flickr.com/photos/kevinmarks/24857689/in/photostream/ [13:06] mmmm, kittenlap [13:06] it's balladodiffusion in french. [13:06] iPod/tivo for radio invented in 1991 [13:06] balladodiffusion [13:06] ace word [13:06] ball of confusion.. i know that song.. [13:07] canadians love strange french translation... [13:07] ANYHOO [13:07] * whiskey_kitten goes to lie in the sun [13:07] really now [13:07] *sashays off* [13:07] bye wk [13:07] * EZToms has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [13:07] * whiskey_kitten is now known as whiskey_sunshine [13:07] bye kevinski [13:07] bbiab [13:07] * andrewma_ has joined #lesblogs [13:08] * TheBen is now known as BenHammersley [13:08] * jstuker has joined #lesblogs [13:08] * patrickt has joined #lesblogs [13:09] hi! [13:09] ?learn patrickt is http://i.never.nu [13:09] patrickt is http://i.never.nu [13:09] hi [13:10] ?learn patrickt is http://i.never.nu/ [13:10] patrickt is http://i.never.nu and http://i.never.nu/ [13:10] ?forget partrickt [13:10] I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle [13:10] ?forget patrickt all [13:10] I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle [13:10] * andrewma_ has left #lesblogs [13:10] * Suw has joined #lesblogs [13:10] is [13:10] put an is [13:10] sheesh [13:11] ?forget patrickt is http://i.never.nu [13:11] I now only know that patrickt is http://i.never.nu/ [13:11] careful, suw, ben's head is inflating dangerously [13:11] i know [13:11] ?learn dltq is Raymond M. Kristiansen, a Norwegian videoblogger vlogging at http://dltq.org [13:11] dltq is Raymond M. Kristiansen, a Norwegian videoblogger vlogging at http://dltq.org [13:11] it's not! [13:12] i just bumped into it already [13:12] * Dries_ has joined #lesblogs [13:12] Dries_ is Dries Buytaert [13:12] http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051205/nym208.html?.v=26 [13:12] mind you, he can't count [13:12] http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0297852337 [13:12] i just saw the DotBen vs Mena debate during the Mena presentation. I guess I would quote parts of it - if only I could quote from the .wmv file [13:13] Synopsis [13:13] The eight big ideas that will dominate the 21st century are: 1. Zero distance 2. Information wants to be free 3. Mass amateurisation 4. Metcalfe's Law - more is much more 5. True Names and Robust Identities 6. Everything is viral - the art of spreading 7. Personalisation of everything [13:13] 8? [13:13] er... [13:13] ?learn cfd is Carl-Frédéric De Celles [13:13] cfd is http://carnets.ixmedia.com/cfd/ and Carl-Fr--d--ric De Celles [13:13] * crosswick_ has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [13:13] I was going ask you that [13:13] ?forget cfd is Carl-Fr--d--ric De Celles [13:13] I now only know that cfd is http://carnets.ixmedia.com/cfd/ [13:13] lol [13:13] international robot... [13:13] 8 has to be podcasting [13:13] there is no 8 [13:14] * marc-o has joined #lesblogs [13:14] or possibly wearing kilts [13:14] ?cfd is Carl-Frederic De Celles [13:14] 8 is not fucking podcasting [13:14] ?learn cfd is Carl-Frederic De Celles [13:14] cfd is http://carnets.ixmedia.com/cfd/ and Carl-Frederic De Celles [13:14] podcasting about fucking? [13:14] wow... listening to the mena trott panel [13:14] market! [13:14] * jstuker has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [13:15] and the guy is like "this is silly... get thick skin..." [13:15] fireworks! [13:15] jason, they did not get physical... [13:15] well, I'm not staying up another 3 hours to find out what 8 is [13:15] http://lotta.skriva.net/img/div2005/bloggforum3/hammersley1.jpg [13:15] reputation is selfcorrecting... [13:15] i see 8 there [13:16] Ubiquitous condoms? [13:16] yeah [13:17] Ubiquitous condescension in IRC? [13:17] * ant0ine has joined #lesblogs [13:17] dltq: import WMV into Movie Maker. Find the part you want to quote and export as DV AVI. Import into Quicktime and resume normal operating procedures [13:17] darn you now i have to go look up condescension, being the Norwegjuan [13:18] oh thank you Andreas, never thought of that.. [13:18] * KevinMarks shakes his head in wonder [13:18] it's a pain, but it works [13:18] * Lebisou has quit IRC [13:19] I suppose thats a bit easier than running snapz pro to screengrab Real, but not by much [13:19] takes forever though [13:19] video roach motel formats [13:19] *sob* i hate movie maker [13:19] I like copy+paste a lot more [13:20] * problog_ has joined #lesblogs [13:20] * problog_ is now known as problog [13:20] * andrewma has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [13:22] * JaanusSkype has joined #lesblogs [13:33] * m-c has joined #lesblogs [13:36] * jstuker has joined #lesblogs [13:36] * JorisL has joined #lesblogs [13:37] * marc-o has quit IRC [13:39] * Suw has quit IRC [13:40] * oliverwagner has quit IRC [13:42] * bunnywabbit_ has joined #lesblogs [13:42] * smudie has joined #lesblogs [13:43] * mygdal has joined #lesblogs [13:43] mygdal is in Copenhagen, Denmark [13:44] * Ton_Zijlstra has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [13:44] * oliverwagner has joined #lesblogs [13:45] Marc is sleeping. [13:45] hej Thomas [13:46] * gily has joined #lesblogs [13:46] this dinner (breakfast?) is way too long. [13:46] isn't it a cocktail ? [13:46] it's Networking Lunch :) you are supposed to go climb the Eiffel Tower [13:46] nothing to eat [13:46] * chryss has joined #lesblogs [13:46] chryss is chrys_seren, who is flitting around on IRC when she's not blogging and collecting eggcorns at http://lascribe.net/ [13:47] * olivert has joined #lesblogs [13:48] * sztahanov has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [13:48] * sztahanov has joined #lesblogs [13:48] * zeroday has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [13:49] * loiclemeur has joined #lesblogs [13:49] * loiclemeur has left #lesblogs [13:50] * fmahon has joined #lesblogs [13:51] * chrys_out has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [13:52] ?learn maartens is Maarten Schenk, who blogs at http://www.blogologie.be [13:52] maartens is Maarten Schenk, who blogs at http://www.blogologie.be [13:52] * Dries_ has quit IRC [13:52] * Dries_ has joined #lesblogs [13:53] * andrewma has joined #lesblogs [13:54] * chryss has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [13:55] * chryss has joined #lesblogs [13:55] * tara has joined #lesblogs [13:55] * jalonso has joined #lesblogs [13:55] jalonso is Julio Alonso and founder of Weblogs SL, www.weblogssl.com [13:55] are we ready to rock? [13:56] and roll! [13:56] IRC! I said....are we ready to rock? [13:56] Yeah! [13:56] Yeah [13:56] YEAH! [13:56] HELLS YEAH [13:56] I just uploaded hugh's singing [13:56] http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/ [13:56] I am working on a vlog entry entitled "Mena vs. Ben" [13:56] dude [13:56] i've got the title for you [13:56] gimme an hour [13:56] dltq: editing my video? [13:57] Canter is cantering down... [13:57] yeah, i now have it in .mov finally [13:57] ayuck [13:57] the .avi became 700 mb [13:57] dltq: some credit would be nice ;-) [13:57] www.blogologie.be [13:57] but of course, im a vlogger pro [13:57] even if i don't use FCP on a G5 [13:58] drink lots of coffee [13:58] before my thing [13:58] it's going to be *very* exciting [13:58] BenHammersley: are you up next? [13:58] * marc-o has joined #lesblogs [13:58] * peterkaminski has joined #lesblogs [13:58] no, the one after the one after this [13:58] Yes, Ben, I will compare this minute by minute to your earlier presentations. you can never do a joke twice again, mwahaha [13:58] * oliverwagner has quit IRC [13:58] erm, yes [13:58] * mcabiling has joined #lesblogs [13:59] dltq! DAMN YOU [13:59] actually, I won't, as I tend to make these things up as I go along [13:59] "three guys and a dog" [13:59] social++ [13:59] * _neezee has joined #lesblogs [13:59] _neezee is Nicole Simon from usefulsounds.com and crueltobeking.org and as nice as jeannie. [13:59] <_neezee> rehi. [13:59] * TonWes has joined #lesblogs [13:59] the dog slide has gone [13:59] replaced by a horse [13:59] * ludoo has joined #lesblogs [13:59] yeah, I dig your presentations, too bad I couldnt attend this time [13:59] it's being videoed. I'm screwed [14:00] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [14:00] welcome to the world of vloggers spying on your every move [14:00] hehe [14:00] * thobu has joined #lesblogs [14:00] I'm actually a novice at videoblogging [14:00] * whiskey has joined #lesblogs [14:00] it rather makes my life harder - I can't repeat talks between countries [14:00] http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/Hugh%20singing.AVI [14:00] * neilmcintosh has joined #lesblogs [14:00] maartens, make sure your camera doesn't shake [14:01] where are you from in .be maartens? [14:01] * ClassV has joined #lesblogs [14:01] Houthalen (Limburg) [14:01] what happened to the pubs ? [14:01] near Hasselt [14:01] I mean, I did the first run through of this in Stockholm, and the bastards *transcribed* it. GAH! [14:01] * chryss has quit IRC ("Leaving") [14:01] * dotBen__ has joined #lesblogs [14:01] * dotBen__ is now known as dotBen [14:01] dotBen is Ben Metcalfe and blogging at http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/ [14:01] hahaha! yeah, google-searchable and all [14:01] bonjour [14:02] bonjour dotben! [14:02] sheep++ [14:02] * chryss has joined #lesblogs [14:02] The ben is back. [14:02] the black sheep [14:02] <_neezee> ben i did not read it or listen to it to not spoil the experience ;) [14:02] Ben, did you get to talk with Mena after this morning? [14:02] * antoin has joined #lesblogs [14:02] antoin is in Ireland and blogging at http://www.eire.com/ and on fon and always welcomed in the great DPRK [14:02] dotBen that is [14:03] yes [14:03] dear god, Hugh is stoned [14:03] crappy little job in a glass building? he's talking about us [14:03] heya neil and ben [14:03] Me and Hugh have "history": http://www.gapingvoid.com/Moveable_Type/archives/001949.html [14:03] * antoin has quit IRC (Client Quit) [14:03] yes, I seem to have a number of enemies [14:03] (Hugh's ok really) [14:04] Mwahaha [14:04] yep [14:04] hes looking at me as he says this [14:04] Blogging: Giving middle aged executives hope since 2001 [14:04] that was YOU [14:04] * antoin has joined #lesblogs [14:04] dotben - not another one :-) [14:04] do you care about us, Hugh? [14:04] "they don't care", "glass building"... it's a BBC ain't it? [14:04] cosmic vagina++ [14:04] i remember that whole "Stormhoek is crap" thing [14:04] ruff ruff [14:04] or a tomato farmer [14:04] puppies++ [14:04] cosmic vagina = suw? [14:04] ben!!! [14:04] dotBen: no idea [14:04] 'ray [14:04] * treb has joined #lesblogs [14:04] * olivert has quit IRC [14:04] * antoin has quit IRC (Client Quit) [14:04] * antoin has joined #lesblogs [14:04] * adecarvalho has joined #lesblogs [14:05] big up people born afer Marc started his conference whoaring career [14:05] * jyri has joined #lesblogs [14:05] perfect memory? wouldn't that be quite harrowing [14:05] is he wearing the same shirt as yesterday? [14:05] if you were Marc, yes [14:05] i don't want to remember this backchannel, so my HD does it for me [14:05] yes [14:05] He's actually the Buddha [14:05] * weemac has joined #lesblogs [14:06] hear hear [14:06] lol [14:06] heh [14:06] micro munchies [14:06] MARC SING !!!!! [14:06] * pforret has joined #lesblogs [14:06] A SONG PLS !!! [14:06] BLOG HITS !! [14:06] Marc is desparate to get into Anina's pants [14:06] I'm sure she can touch on anything she wants [14:06] (not that they would fit) [14:06] tut tut [14:06] * _JY_ has joined #lesblogs [14:07] I'd vote for Kum-bah-yah -- I think I've heared Marc sing that [14:07] That's one ugly website... [14:07] flash sucks on a blog [14:07] * cyf has joined #lesblogs [14:07] <_neezee> well, it is about fashion. [14:07] not fashionable maartens? [14:07] sideways scrolling menu [14:07] euuuu [14:07] one ugly blog for one ugly... [14:07] (that was a joke - ok. Anina's very nice really) [14:07] tsk [14:07] she is nice - smart [14:07] it's all a joke from dot [14:08] she is. I would. [14:08] microlunch-- [14:08] BenHammersley: go rub hees belly [14:08] or the fascist business [14:08] on a scale from 0 to 1? [14:08] * thobu has left #lesblogs [14:08] Subversive...cool [14:08] * thobu has joined #lesblogs [14:08] Let's make an Miss BLOG 2.0 election [14:08] don't you dare [14:08] you'd be in there, Tara [14:08] Why not just go up to them and like... talk to them? ;-) [14:08] tara would win [14:09] she's very cute [14:09] lovely to hear "bluetooth" and "rss" coming from anina :D [14:09] ha ha ha [14:09] it's the gamine thing [14:09] lol [14:09] * Ton_Zijlstra has joined #lesblogs [14:09] Ton_Zijlstra is Ton from Enschede, Netherlands at http://www.zylstra.org/blog and deemed a geek by his partner [14:09] still, don't go there [14:09] gamine + 50s == hottttt [14:09] say it again amina [14:09] lol [14:09] factoryjoe, where's termie hanging out? [14:09] amsterdam [14:09] (I think not) [14:09] she's in [14:09] Dries_: read his blog [14:09] i can't track him anymore [14:09] i think he's going off the map [14:10] for someone wanting to horizontal [14:10] factoryjoe, reading (wonder if he lost something in A'dam last month) [14:10] let me show you my nice vertical, baby [14:10] ahem [14:10] Dries_: he went back to reclaim a girl [14:10] lol [14:10] Ben - that's the kind of crap that got ME into trouble [14:10] * J_Clavier has joined #lesblogs [14:10] <_neezee> ben not on that table please [14:10] lol [14:10] I see him singing some Barry White all of a sudden [14:10] hehe [14:10] <_neezee> ben well, you stayed away of the french strippers yesterday [14:10] i so did not [14:10] I love the way a speaker has started brown nosing another speaker's work without even being asked! [14:11] * crosswick has joined #lesblogs [14:11] * fernandabrazil has joined #lesblogs [14:11] :-) [14:11] _neezee - that I did. [14:11] they're just being nice [14:11] poor suw has given up [14:11] <_neezee> BenHammersley not you´, i doubt you would [14:11] never touch upon.... [14:11] what does that mean? [14:11] * perfectpath has joined #lesblogs [14:11] wouldn't you like to know? [14:11] ;) [14:11] little tiny researcher...? [14:11] maaaaajor faux pas [14:12] yeah, white lined sandles is SOOOO last season [14:12] blog is the new black? [14:12] sandles 2.0 [14:12] kind of like a.... gaping void [14:12] blog is the new fugly [14:12] Suw! get in there! [14:12] i smell a love connection on the stage! [14:12] factoryjoe, his blog entry is weird. Really weird. [14:12] ffs Suw! [14:12] GO! [14:12] jump in! [14:12] Dries_: yeah [14:13] wa-hay! [14:13] suw is going to "attempt" a move after gapingvoid [14:13] lol [14:13] * altbit has joined #lesblogs [14:13] Schwiiiing! [14:13] naked men - doesn't sell clothes very wel [14:13] hmmmm [14:13] maartens: that's the second time in 4 hours [14:13] depends on who the buyers are [14:13] contain yourself man! [14:13] * tariq_netvibes has joined #lesblogs [14:13] naked men == buyer beware [14:13] hey [14:13] of course I'm never naked on my blog [14:14] bbc ? ? [14:14] factoryjoe: I ain't sitting next to my Mrs! [14:14] hmm [14:14] Interesting point [14:14] Naked conversations...;) [14:14] what can he mean ? [14:14] hmmm [14:14] I'm naked on my blog all the time [14:14] underwear ads with naked men can sell [14:14] but a lot of people like being anonymous. [14:14] BBC, working, "jobs suck" [14:14] identity transcending your work... [14:14] hmmm [14:14] here we go... [14:14] but people like jobs where they can be anonymous. [14:14] err, dayjob rather [14:14] geddit ? [14:14] * dotBen shitting himself [14:14] yeah but Hammersley you have a great bod [14:14] * crosswick_ has joined #lesblogs [14:14] wOOt dotben! [14:14] * factoryjoe hands dotben some TP [14:14] I didn't see dotben hiding that much [14:14] horaay [14:14] hubba hubba [14:14] * _JY_ has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [14:14] I'll buy that [14:15] * BenHammersley blushes [14:15] Dries_: you should get together w/ pforret and do Bar Camp Brussels [14:15] * ludoo has left #lesblogs [14:15] Dries: I'd go to a BarCamp in Brussels. Only marginally further than Amsterdam was [14:15] omg [14:15] Marc's struggle with his personas is quite obvious [14:16] soylent green is people!! [14:16] personas....cool...multiple personalities 2.0 [14:16] * o4media_ has joined #lesblogs [14:16] be nice with the network [14:16] * o4media_ is now known as o4media [14:16] schizophrenia^2 [14:16] our own tool [14:16] that's why he sleeps during the conference [14:16] toool [14:16] all those identities are really tiring to manage [14:16] toooooooooooooool [14:16] SUW! [14:16] SUW! [14:16] so are the tools [14:16] yay suw [14:16] nope, not me [14:17] irc++ [14:17] wOOt! [14:17] What's that on the screen? [14:17] misinterpretation [14:17] * dotBen feels like he isn't managing his identities [14:17] ?learn suw is doing rather well [14:17] emotional bandwidth. [14:17] suw is in the UK, can be found at http://chocnvodka.blogware.com/ & has a cat called Fflwff & well, she *is* a blonde, after all, so be nice to her & a southpaw & strangely attractive & also blogging at http://www.corante.com/strange/ & rhymes with poo & goo, but not view & a big fan of Super Furry Animals & perhaps killed by adamhill & doing rather well [14:17] * marc-o has quit IRC [14:17] now there's a term. [14:17] antoin: emotional bandwidth...that's HOT [14:17] or in a hotel hallway [14:17] * marc-o has joined #lesblogs [14:17] * winsk has joined #lesblogs [14:17] ?learn has many personas - which don't overlap [14:17] I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle [14:17] bummer dude [14:18] no dude [14:18] yeah! emotional bandwidth --->>> ??? --->>> $$$$ [14:18] j'k [14:18] ?learn dotben has many personas - which don't overlap [14:18] I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle [14:18] that flirt [14:18] she's cute [14:18] * tara is it getting hot in here? [14:18] heh the model's talking about touching us [14:18] what a beautiful world [14:18] * whiskey_sunshine has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [14:18] whoah [14:18] naw, that's just you baby [14:18] Tara: your fault [14:18] you wouldn;t want to know how many bloggers smell [14:18] White Snow .... [14:18] * altbit has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.5/2005111116]") [14:19] damn, the typing ceases... we're captivated [14:19] i smell wid my nowse [14:19] beach boyz [14:19] how do you smell [14:19] you're givin me good vibrations... [14:19] * photomatt_paris has joined #lesblogs [14:19] With my nose... [14:19] so lesson: if you want to get with Anina and you is ugly, you need to comment heaviliy on her blog first [14:19] * loiclemeur has joined #lesblogs [14:19] <_neezee> perfectpath you probably for groom? [14:19] after two days of BarCamp, I can attest to that! [14:19] oh no my keyboard is covered in drool [14:19] <_neezee> rehi loic [14:19] STOP THAT [14:20] * dotBen wishes this wasn't on the screen. #lesblogs_noscreen anyone? [14:20] that is emotional bandwidth [14:20] * _neezee .oO( so how does this relate to living in 2055? ) [14:20] total emotional bandwidth [14:20] hello world [14:20] eeeee meatspace [14:20] <_neezee> dotBen well, why suddenly not anymore? [14:20] i spent hours yesterday listening to the rest of the pre-conference podcasts [14:20] in 2055 we'll all be living in cumbria and touching each other in india [14:20] I remember the launch of Movable Type in Europe (German, Spanish, Dutch)... [14:20] :-) [14:20] does anybody think videoconferencing is any use? [14:20] We were having a virtual party though AIM [14:21] i hope there are as many post-conference podcasts, Nicole. 23 of them! [14:21] outsourcing touching? [14:21] * BenHammersley is in both meatspace [14:21] <_neezee> dltq are you kidding? [14:21] teleportation [14:21] no, i will even paypal you 15$ for it [14:21] where's suw's bat? [14:21] factoryjoe, sure [14:21] pforret, do we know each other? [14:21] tongue tied? [14:21] not likely, but he's belgian [14:21] <_neezee> dltq okay we talk *g* i already have some recordings from the floor, but left my usb at the hotel, so they will be up later [14:21] factoryjoe, did he do a barcamp before? [14:21] * BenHammersley has quit IRC [14:22] Dries_: nope [14:22] * Lanfeust21 has joined #lesblogs [14:22] factoryjoe, but he wants to do one? [14:22] a question for everybody [14:22] deeeeeep [14:22] * Salim has joined #lesblogs [14:22] Lunchtime doubly so... [14:22] we haven't met yet - I organised Bloggers meeting @ Brussels [14:22] everything is an illusion [14:22] how should I make this n90 phone won ? [14:22] yo [14:22] deeeeeeeep [14:22] lunch was an illusion [14:22] * surfnode has joined #lesblogs [14:22] here! [14:22] i'd love a threesome podcast between Mena, Ben and you discussing online identity, manners and corporate blogging [14:22] Dries_ : but there are guys in Eindhoven who did. And I'd help [14:22] <_neezee> loic i would consider drawing something? [14:22] * Salim has quit IRC (Client Quit) [14:22] * Salim has joined #lesblogs [14:22] dltq: threesome podcast? Kinky [14:23] <_neezee> loic everything else seems funny to me but i have no clue how to do that [14:23] i've been to BarCamp Amsterdam so I know the drill (somewhat) [14:23] dltq -it could happen [14:23] ok let me make the announcement again: there is a Nokia n90 to be won by the audience offered by Nokia, no idea how we should make it won [14:23] * felixpetersen has joined #lesblogs [14:23] it would seriously be interesting, drawing in that jeremy article and all [14:23] riot. [14:23] of course it can always be random [14:23] loiclemeur: we're working on it [14:23] <_neezee> dltq well, i don't know if she would be good in this discussion. i am sure ben would be, but i don't think she would really cope with that [14:23] loiclemeur> I vote for factoryjoe for the canter-ized banner of Les Blogs 2.0 [14:23] Toss it into the crowd... [14:23] Why is Marc moderating his own panel? [14:23] <_neezee> loic and they have to be here then :) [14:23] who's moderating this? [14:23] loiclemeur: best Canter photoshop job? [14:24] Vote for Joe! [14:24] ask her :) i think she has opinions on it [14:24] get your bat out suw [14:24] oh yeah only somebody in the room after the last session [14:24] :#) [14:24] the one who can ask the longest question without being interrupted by Marc wins the Nokia [14:24] me too - factory Joe for the N90 [14:24] I think Anina should stand up, right ? [14:24] you know, that's why they shouldn't allow google to go into the electricity business. [14:24] score one more vote for factoryjoe :P [14:24] there's this thing called the "turing test", anina? [14:24] yes... factoryjoe... [14:24] pforret++ [14:24] you might like that ;) [14:24] "real people don't scale" [14:24] loiclemeur: the latest to subscribe to http://www.frappr.com/lesblogs win the nokia n90 [14:24] factoryjoe++ [14:24] big_long_stories++ [14:24] that's easy, just talk about FOAF, DLA, GoingOn, Flex and Lazslo, and you'll have at least 90 secs of airtime [14:25] OK, next question [14:25] yet frappr [14:25] * martinvars has joined #lesblogs [14:25] brand and identity in the same phrase... [14:25] DRINK [14:25] Lanfeust21: Not Fair! [14:25] DRINK DRINK! [14:25] looking at Flickr, marc seems to be yellow-ish [14:25] * RMacK has joined #lesblogs [14:25] RMacK is sometimes a slightly devil's advocate and quite good at it [14:25] <_neezee> Lanfeust21 unfair, yes :) [14:25] * olivert has joined #lesblogs [14:25] jaundice? [14:25] Dries_: technically golden [14:25] think: shiny golden buddha [14:25] ahah [14:25] I did not know you could buy a shirt with the color that Marc has [14:25] it's a joke i have no relation at all with nokia :) [14:26] let me guess, the BBC? [14:26] We don't need two chat windows on the screens. [14:26] humph [14:26] death to branding! [14:26] factoryjoe, i'm surprised he didn't backlit his shirt -- to have an inner glow to go with it [14:26] loiclemeur: yeah, i thought france had laws [14:26] ok, first person to photoshop Canter as a golden buddha statue? [14:26] hehe [14:26] Hey, there is nothing wrong with bellbottoms [14:26] here we go [14:26] silk from India [14:26] yep [14:26] made by slave boys? [14:26] we don't even want to touch that one [14:26] <_neezee> shiny bellys in orange ... [14:26] done by eight years old boys [14:26] not good advertising for india [14:26] * rodrigo has joined #lesblogs [14:26] michel_v : where are you ? raise the hand ? [14:26] seriously, it's just too easy [14:27] talk about brand damage [14:27] * fernandabrazil has quit IRC [14:27] Marc is now an ambassador of India and clothing [14:27] Lanfeust21: I'm not at the conference, sadly [14:27] automated chat bot for MSN = smarterchild@hotmail.com [14:27] I want more digital presents, less digital presence [14:27] Lanfeust21: I just follow :p [14:27] inner spirit eh? [14:27] it start with social and end with reebok vs nike wierd no ? [14:27] bottoms up branding! [14:28] :) [14:28] another automated (and animated!) chatbot for MSN: www.ecck.com [14:28] branding up bottoms [14:28] you don't see me in my vlogs [14:28] eccky.com [14:28] bottoms branding up [14:28] only pretty people should videoblog [14:28] TELEVISION! [14:28] * jemstone has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [14:28] hooray [14:28] television doesn't talk back [14:28] * dsifry has joined #lesblogs [14:28] dsifry is Dave Sifry and his blog is at http://www.sifry.com/alerts and also in proximity to Technorati and is an IRCtease [14:28] Some TV sucks... [14:29] Anina vlogs :) [14:29] some does, yes [14:29] only good writers should blog :) [14:29] pforret: yeah I agree, I only vlog because I know how gorgeous i am [14:29] only good programmers shoud code ;) [14:29] I'm still not convinced this Anina isn't a fake. Maybe she hired the model to come to talk pretending to be her [14:29] light on Marc Canter [14:29] wife? [14:29] only Marc should match [14:29] the world would be a much better place with safeguards like that in place ;) [14:29] Match.com: er, not nessessarlly something to admit? [14:29] Truth in advertising. [14:30] which photo did he use? [14:30] hehe [14:30] ben don't start. [14:30] ;) [14:30] dotBen: that would be a long standing fake then. saw anina last year [14:30] gold digger? [14:30] just delete the posts. [14:30] What about finding wifes on Mechanical Turk? "Must clean the house once a day for $1" [14:30] * weemac has quit IRC ("The computer fell asleep") [14:30] go Turk! [14:30] lol [14:31] that's totally monetizable [14:31] No...mechanical turk [14:31] * thobu has left #lesblogs [14:31] Cheaper option: change your name in 20 years and grow a beard :-) [14:31] go hammerman [14:31] * thobu has joined #lesblogs [14:31] nice skirt [14:31] nice skirts [14:31] * chryss has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [14:31] skirt ++ [14:31] +++ [14:31] * tara wolf whistle [14:32] put the shirts on flickr, please :) [14:32] * RMacK has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:32] * chryss has joined #lesblogs [14:32] * thobu has left #lesblogs [14:32] Hammersley: "the vast majority of consumers are not very good" [14:32] What customers want: better products for free [14:32] * whiskey is now known as whiskey_kitten [14:32] * thobu has joined #lesblogs [14:32] * J_Clavier is now known as JeffClavier [14:32] yeah! [14:32] maartens you are capturing this right? [14:32] better produce for free [14:32] finally: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70839088/ [14:32] dltq: yep [14:32] I consume, therefor I am [14:33] great [14:33] when does someone become a pro blogger? [14:33] or a pro fashion designer? [14:33] pink is in! [14:33] teletubbie she is [14:33] pink is the new black [14:33] Get Marc a new shirt... [14:33] fashion designers are like big sponges [14:33] factoryjoe, heh [14:33] (i'm going to hell) [14:33] and pink is in [14:33] he is SO going to hell...LOL [14:33] i'm wearing pink pants today [14:33] yes, pink is very retro [14:33] * chryss has quit IRC (Client Quit) [14:33] underpants that is [14:34] orange is the new gold [14:34] fortunatelly, Marc can't run fast [14:34] * thobu has quit IRC [14:34] Dries_++ [14:34] Anina was on NerdTV show #9 - http://www.pbs.org/cringely/nerdtv/shows/ [14:34] so you can pull all kinds of jokes, and run circles around him :) [14:34] yeah i saw that, it was pretty interesting [14:34] nerds++ [14:34] * winsk has quit IRC [14:34] Marc Canter: "people who can't even use a phone or a remote control are not always bad people" [14:34] it's all relative [14:34] neeeerdddss! [14:35] offline people are people, too [14:35] 'The Geek will inherit the Earth' [14:35] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [14:35] porr peole don't use remotr [14:35] chasm [14:35] so to put this into fasion: not everyone can match clashing colours, they're "GAP" users. [14:35] real social software: people being people, instead of people emulating computers [14:35] thank you SUW! [14:35] * RMacK has joined #lesblogs [14:35] people who can't use a remote are either in better shape on in a really awful shape [14:35] yaay suw [14:36] * ant0ine has quit IRC ("This computer has gone to sleep") [14:36] andreas: or should not use a tv with a remote [14:36] * dsifry has quit IRC [14:36] ok, this was the best panel yet in many ways [14:36] * CharlesN has joined #lesblogs [14:36] * EZToms has joined #lesblogs [14:36] did marc sing yet? [14:36] nope [14:36] Hugh did though [14:36] but was it the best backchannel,that is the question [14:36] * peterkaminski has left #lesblogs [14:36] are we breaking now? [14:36] MARC! [14:36] we are the Hammersley cultists [14:36] no, it is over and the fat lady didn't sing [14:36] * _neezee has quit IRC [14:36] Marc confirms: the shirt was hand made in India [14:36] * trilluser has joined #lesblogs [14:37] at leats there was th best photoshoped pictures today [14:37] * Salim has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [14:37] * jalonso has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:37] * Suw has joined #lesblogs [14:37] * dsifry has joined #lesblogs [14:37] I can't use a PVR. there, I said it [14:37] if he sings, I'd suggest a Tibetan song? =) [14:37] haha [14:38] ... [14:38] * dsifry has quit IRC (Client Quit) [14:38] hye [14:38] * chryss has joined #lesblogs [14:38] hi [14:38] i can't spell pvr [14:38] ok, so i missed the backchannel during that... [14:38] * oliverwagner has joined #lesblogs [14:38] you just did perfectpath [14:38] anyone got logs? [14:38] well done suw - hardest panel to moderate [14:38] suw -- good work! [14:38] Ton: doh! [14:38] yeah, we gots logs [14:39] dries: hebde gij mijn coordinaten? [14:39] pforret, nope [14:39] pforret, jij die van mij? [14:39] thank you! i thought it went well. there was a bunch of stuff I wanted to talk to that we didn't have time to cover [14:39] i got logs, want it emailed? just state what time period you want logged [14:39] what? [14:39] pforret, zie http://buytaert.net/ [14:39] should have got your baseball bat out [14:39] dries: http://blog.forret.com [14:39] (he's not here because they ran out of beer last night) [14:39] pforret, got that [14:39] perfectpath: didn't feel the need to take a swing at anyone. went nicely :) [14:39] tara: that's ditch for ya [14:39] dutch [14:40] how to listen to the online world: take the backchannel off! [14:40] ditch/dutch [14:40] * gily has left #lesblogs [14:40] we should [14:40] dotBen++ [14:40] i'm trying to compete with BenH in the 'most bouncy presenter/moderator' award [14:40] * _neezee has joined #lesblogs [14:40] y'know, i hate the two words together "public" "relations" [14:40] dotBen: this is a serious panel, please don't bring your guttersnipe activities here [14:40] pforret and Dries_: are you both coming on thursday to Zaventem [14:40] yeppa [14:40] guttersnipe!!! [14:40] paradigm shift !!! haha it's been a while we haven't heard that buzzword :)))) [14:40] guttersnipe++ [14:40] eff relating to the public [14:40] maartens, what's on thursday? [14:40] "paradigm shift" take a shot [14:40] i'm really thirsty now [14:40] factory: although we all have some relations in public [14:40] DRINK [14:41] tara's starting to talk like me [14:41] how cute! [14:41] lol [14:41] tara: oui! [14:41] Ton_Zijlstra: now, now [14:41] factoryjoe++ [14:41] <_neezee> does tara speak french too if she is drunk? ;) [14:41] * marccanter has joined #lesblogs [14:41] marccanter is Marc Canter & a fine singer & blogs at http://blogs.it/0100198/ & Mimi's Daddy & the father of multimedia & in the house & curious [14:41] engagement? [14:41] actually, i didn't [14:41] pamplemousse [14:41] and i haven't [14:41] should i have? [14:41] RISK? [14:41] sorry, i'm daft [14:41] of blogging? [14:41] * neXter^work has left #lesblogs [14:41] the first CEO in the PR world to have taken teh risk of PR blogging................ [14:41] hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm [14:41] man, does her blog sound like this? [14:41] Risk indeed: see Loreal ;-) [14:41] <_neezee> dotben yes. of course. [14:41] maartens, pforret -- don't think i'll be there, have a meeting at 20:00h [14:42] hey marc, that went well! thanks! [14:42] she KNOWS there's chatter on the backchannel. She stumbles when there's furious keyboard tapping activity [14:42] wrap it up please [14:42] Wow, she sounds so professional [14:42] marc, you really shined [14:42] does she have a blog? [14:42] by definition this is what you get from sponsors [14:42] marccanter: tell us more !! [14:42] tapppitiy tappity tappity tapppity [14:42] I didn't know edith piaf was into blogging [14:42] we should just tap furiously [14:42] backchannel changes so much, it's insane [14:42] tap tap tap tap tap tap tap [14:42] and it holds a great deal of potential [14:42] thank you sir [14:42] and may I poiint out - that was NOT 4.7 compliant [14:42] <_neezee> that is okay, we can just catch up with some other stuff during that - [14:42] :-) [14:43] yeah marc, you really shined. Those indian boys did a good job with that fine silk [14:43] perfectpath: la vie en rose [14:43] lol [14:43] marccanter, 4.7? mmm [14:43] "we are great" - thanks for pointing that out, lady [14:43] shiney happy people [14:43] the 1st to consider a fundamental arena [14:43] <_neezee> shiny happy pr people. [14:43] first first first first [14:43] Dries_: yes, that was a drupal reference [14:43] golf clap [14:43] did she say anything? [14:43] factoryjoe, awesome =) [14:43] yes - well 4.6 seems fine to us [14:43] Listening and entering the conversation by closing the backchannel ;-) [14:43] she said it first [14:43] except of course for teh improved searcjh [14:43] <_neezee> perfectpath she said she sponsored - which part again? [14:43] great great great [14:43] is there a first on the web anymore? [14:44] when is 4.8? [14:44] marccanter, didn't knew you where into the details? :) [14:44] does it matter? [14:44] frist psot ;-) [14:44] marccanter said you've gotta keep reinventing yourself [14:44] er, no. she was planning to sell it? [14:44] * ant0ine has joined #lesblogs [14:44] <_neezee> ah the study is out, cool [14:44] It was a pretty cool study [14:44] so um, first is dead [14:44] marccanter is the web 2.0 [14:44] who was she? [14:44] marccanter, we can't tell when 4.8 will hit the market^^^^^ web [14:44] * BenHammersley has joined #lesblogs [14:44] well when kiernan is constantly bitching at us about NOT being 4.7 I gotta ask "why do I care?" [14:44] what was the story about dell? [14:44] 4.7 isn't even released yet [14:44] <_neezee> mygdal the women on the panel? [14:44] yeah same question here? [14:44] * dotBen wonders what 4.7 is? [14:44] i love it when he says "fuckus" [14:44] url? [14:44] mygdal: Marie Rouet, President Edelman, France [14:44] fuckising? [14:44] yes - but if we are spending all our time doing update s- then we will never ship anything [14:45] 4.7 is the new 2.0 [14:45] dotBen: drupal 4.7 [14:45] hhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [14:45] No, pink is the new 4.7 :-) [14:45] arhhhh [14:45] Let's measure it so we can monetize it [14:45] chitchatchitchat [14:45] http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/08/23/dell-learns-a-lesson/ [14:45] shiney golden aqmber hand made silk i sthe new hand made silk [14:45] ha! [14:45] marccanter, i'll send you an e-mail instead -- ok? [14:45] pink? oh god, that's so last panel [14:45] no, it's chit chat with tea and crumpets [14:45] is you drupler to factoryjoe? We need to speak [14:45] fuckgates? [14:45] hehe [14:45] who's the nice lady at the left again? [14:45] <_neezee> oh playbox started videocasting? [14:45] oui oui - and a Duvel - elephant beer [14:45] dotBen: engrish? [14:46] sie [14:46] Dell hell [14:46] zzzzzz [14:46] bueno [14:46] is she calling us worms? [14:46] at least she KNOWS who Jeff Jarvis is............ [14:46] marcanter: i prefer a chimay blue [14:46] "bottom feeders" [14:46] no, i think a tin can [14:46] slugs [14:46] marccanter, we also have "Druvel" now -- http://acko.net/dumpx/druvel.png [14:46] why do we get back to bottoms and arses on every panel [14:46] wait, what is this panel about? [14:46] * adecarvalho has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [14:46] note to Dell: don't sell to bloggers - it ain't worth the risk [14:46] duvel mmm [14:46] We have a total back channel fetish [14:47] note to Dell: bloggers only eat fruit [14:47] note to Dell: don't sell bloggers. they go off before delivery. [14:47] thanks suw and panellists. reminded me of the session danny o brien did at open tech. identiies online...the mp3 is here: [14:47] * neilmcintosh has quit IRC [14:47] here;http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~dwm/Mirror/OpenTech2005/audio/ [14:47] tara: mine is more an obsession than a fetish [14:47] ZZZzzzzzz..... [14:47] Note to Dell: some customers are not worth the business [14:47] * oliverwagner has quit IRC [14:47] oh, i loved Danny's thing about 'being fabulous' [14:47] being fabulous++ [14:47] yes that was an excellent conference Jem. I belive the full title was backstage.bbc.co.uk Open Tech 05 - marvous stuff [14:47] * Suw is slightly fabulous [14:47] Dell: now with blog-software blocking pre-installed :-) [14:47] (btw, i have no idea what that means) [14:48] what *is* her problem? [14:48] factoryjoe: he was using it as a euphemism for beingn famous [14:48] SUW, you aren't fabulous, you are faaaaaaaaaabulous [14:48] what is her name? [14:48] Kevin Rollins could care less about the average consumer. Margins for low priced consumer boxes are far less than enterprise iron. [14:48] i didnt catch it and its not on the program [14:48] shit, they are going to display back channel [14:48] Sheila Borg? [14:48] ha ha ha [14:48] Rebecca: tell us about bloggers from the rest of the world ! [14:48] sheila sang is speaking at the moment [14:48] . [14:48] . [14:48] . [14:48] .. [14:48] . [14:48] . [14:48] . [14:48] .. [14:48] . [14:48] <_neezee> cheater. [14:48] thanks. [14:48] now ben [14:48] . [14:48] nothin to see here [14:48] Ben is trying to censor the backchannel [14:48] . [14:48] Is she a borg? [14:48] --.. [14:48] . [14:48] cheers mate [14:48] . [14:48] ... [14:48] .. [14:48] your kilt is rumpled [14:48] . [14:48] Are you chatting in Morse ben? [14:48] ... [14:48] keep cool please [14:48] . [14:48] . [14:48] . [14:48] ben's kilt is always rumpled [14:49] .. [14:49] - [14:49] no his rump is kilted [14:49] . [14:49] ...... [14:49] - [14:49] --- [14:49] .. [14:49] . [14:49] -- [14:49] .. [14:49] . [14:49] . [14:49] ben's kilt ++ [14:49] ---- [14:49] . [14:49] no I am mor einfluential [14:49] .. [14:49] suw, is that rumpling your fault? [14:49] . [14:49] . [14:49] I influence through intimidation [14:49] .. [14:49] god damn whats going on here [14:49] ...---... [14:49] . [14:49] rumple rumple rumple [14:49] . [14:49] are u guys drunk [14:49] * Suw holds hands up in innocence [14:49] .. [14:49] someone get up and slap BenHammersley [14:49] * FlyOnTheWall has joined #lesblogs [14:49] . [14:49] Must be siten on the keyboard [14:49] wasn't me, guv [14:49] I'm on the feedster 500 :) but not on TEchnorati :( [14:49] i think IRC is b0rked [14:49] * patrickt has quit IRC [14:49] only when Suw is here [14:49] off my rump, you [14:49] Charlotte Rumpling? [14:49] * BenHammersley was kicked by rvr (rvr) [14:49] <_neezee> as it seems, this has no flood controwl ... [14:49] Dave Sifry is no bored - he's reading a coffee table book [14:49] I think ben fell asleep on his . key [14:49] <_neezee> well, not the usual automatik one. [14:50] ciaoooo all [14:50] hmm research on the screen there.... [14:50] Is that a blogger? uponscreen? [14:50] i'm off to ride a crazy horse [14:50] we don't believe in flood control [14:50] *Wave* [14:50] * BenHammersley has joined #lesblogs [14:50] that's censorship, dammit [14:50] bye whiskey_kitten [14:50] ciao [14:50] bye suwsan [14:50] * peterkaminski has joined #lesblogs [14:50] did you get kicked BenH? [14:50] <_neezee> suw well that is what ignore is for. [14:50] t'ra wk [14:50] I did [14:50] * Suw hugs whiskey_kitten [14:50] * chryss has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [14:50] rvr is GOD [14:50] :D [14:50] * whiskey_kitten has quit IRC ("riding") [14:50] damn irc cabal [14:50] wait, didn't we already have this panel? [14:50] * weemac has joined #lesblogs [14:50] ?rvr is God [14:50] markets are conversations yadda yadda yadda [14:50] ?learn rvr is God [14:50] rvr is Victor R. Ruiz, Spain, & blogs in English at http://rvr.typepad.com/ & is jibot's father & kandinski's personal guru & living in http://xrl.us/gouc (Google Maps) & living at http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=27.86,-15.39&spn=.4,0&t=k & God [14:51] conversation DRINK! [14:51] what is this panel supposed to be about? [14:51] * neilmcintosh has joined #lesblogs [14:51] conversations? [14:51] it's about PR [14:51] ah [14:51] Slashdot new? [14:51] finding stuff [14:51] ah yes [14:51] Digg++++++ [14:51] first panel with no laptop [14:51] then just let Sifry talk about Bono [14:51] one.org [14:51] "No one can afford to be blind and deaf in this new online world. Our [14:51] panelists will discuss the current state of the art for tracking what [14:51] is happening in the blogosphere, giving tips and advice on how to keep [14:51] up with the rapid changes in technology. [14:51] wow [14:52] at a Les Blogs conference? [14:52] dltq: thx [14:52] PubSub! [14:52] that's what it is supposed to be about, Marc, but I don't know what they are saying up there. any parisians care to share? :) [14:52] "No one can afford to be blind and deaf in this new online world." - that's an unfortunate quote considering there are visually empaired delegates at this event. [14:52] * surfnode has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [14:52] salim++ [14:52] I wanna keep up with teh change sin technology - hat soudns great. [14:52] (I'm spelling'ly challenged, as you can see) [14:52] * factoryjoe has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:52] It's all about the vanity search, baby [14:52] * mygdal has quit IRC [14:52] aggregate this [14:53] eff the conversation. It's all about me me me [14:53] you don;t need to be vein Tara - you're all natural beauty [14:53] egosearch! [14:53] if you don't do vanity searches daily the terrorists have won [14:53] exactly [14:53] oui [14:53] si [14:53] product demo [14:53] ja [14:53] he looks bored [14:54] sometimes when I blog about someone I misspell their name on purpose. So soon scoble will have to add "scobble" to his egosearch [14:54] Big up the StirFry [14:54] wake up Dave [14:54] I am bored [14:54] but at least I'm not sleeping [14:54] (feeling hungry) [14:54] * factoryjoe has joined #lesblogs [14:54] what alunch we have !! [14:54] so A) 1 to 0, B) 1 to 1, C) 1 to N, that means D) N to N? subscribing to a feed cloud? [14:54] stay awake marc [14:54] go eat a canapes dotBen [14:54] didn't you get a microlunch? [14:54] * mcabiling throws marccanter a pillow [14:54] what, the micro munchies not enough for you? [14:54] keep tapping [14:54] messages ... request/response ... pubsub ... [14:54] * neilmcintosh has quit IRC (Client Quit) [14:54] BRAVO DAVID ! [14:54] I need 4 pillows [14:54] 2 for my head, [14:54] * weemac has quit IRC (Client Quit) [14:54] Ca c'est bien vrai ca [14:54] 1 in between my knees [14:54] mcabiling: toss me a pillow too [14:55] and one for my arm [14:55] as I lie on my side [14:55] omg [14:55] good to know [14:55] What is the problem? I'm following Dutch blogs with Technorati, Google Blogsearch etc... [14:55] Marc, I listened No one can afford to be blind and deaf in this new online world. Our [14:55] panelists will discuss the current state of the art for tracking what [14:55] is happening in the blogosphere, giving tips and advice on how to keep [14:55] up with the rapid changes in technology. [14:55] fuck [14:55] thanks marc I'll remember that [14:55] virtual pillow fight ? [14:55] keep that filed away - you may need that info someday [14:55] <_neezee> marc you have jeff as a possibility :9 [14:55] If the food follows Metcalfe's Law, next year it will be a third of the size of this year! [14:55] * adecarvalho has joined #lesblogs [14:55] ?fight marccanter [14:55] marccanter and BenHammersley go at it like hammer and tongs [14:55] * jibot pulls marccanter off BenHammersley [14:55] food fight [14:55] What, with these microfoods? [14:56] * trilluser has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [14:56] * chryss has joined #lesblogs [14:56] I am virtually superior simply because I have more natrural hair then BenH [14:56] how was the wine? [14:56] nanofood [14:56] this is a panel on tools [14:56] * patrickt has joined #lesblogs [14:56] slinging micro mud? [14:56] ut oh [14:56] nanofoodfight [14:56] on or of? [14:56] battery, stat! [14:56] "in the year of our lord, flickr" [14:56] brand fuckers? [14:56] LOL [14:56] fuckus! [14:56] fuckus fuckus fuckus [14:56] fuckus fuckus fuckus [14:56] yee beasts [14:56] we're all fuckused [14:56] keep fuckused [14:56] (don't put the back chan up now, oh my god) [14:56] focused? [14:56] should be so lucky [14:57] Fantastical what? [14:57] http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/63823884/ [14:57] * chryss has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:57] <_neezee> i still find it fun that a french guy is running that yahoo thing. [14:57] fontastical i think [14:57] Note to Mena + 6A board -- none of this was me, ok? [14:57] Fantastique... [14:57] ?fight AndreasHaugstrup [14:57] AndreasHaugstrup and AndreasHaugstrup go at it like hammer and tongs [14:57] * jibot pulls AndreasHaugstrup off AndreasHaugstrup [14:57] nice [14:57] oh they know who YOU are now - DotBen [14:57] eyeball? [14:57] mena doesn;t foget things easily [14:58] like an elephant? [14:58] * _neezee has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:58] there goes the corporate discount on MovableType... [14:58] :-) [14:58] * martinvars has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [14:58] yeah wha'ts with Mena swearing at customers from the platform? [14:58] we are the media [14:58] Check the video :-) [14:58] where is the video? [14:59] (hope you ain't been streaming, naughty man!) [14:59] tacklouds [14:59] http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/Keynote%20Mena%20Trott.wmv [14:59] 112 mb file [14:59] omg, you really have! [14:59] * chryss has joined #lesblogs [14:59] what kind of rain falls from tackclouds? [14:59] http://www.tagcloud.com/ [14:59] not streamed [14:59] * _neezee has joined #lesblogs [14:59] tagcloud sucks for non-english sources [14:59] just uploaded [14:59] (with upload limit set in ftp to spare the network) [14:59] wgetting [14:59] maartens": already downloading it [14:59] pforret: google too [14:59] Is Marc Canter sleeping again? 'cause i've got a small vdo to share ;) http://tfmc.blogs.com/the_flying_monkey_circus/2005/12/marc_canter_sle.html [15:00] * neilmcintosh has joined #lesblogs [15:00] * paolovalde has joined #lesblogs [15:00] mind the network please! [15:00] Technorati rocks [15:00] * felixpetersen has quit IRC [15:00] agree [15:00] <_neezee> tara most of the time :) [15:00] not yet...;) [15:01] <_neezee> but much better in the last time ;) [15:01] have you tried their mini? [15:01] LOVE the mini! [15:01] uh oh smart spiders creepy [15:01] * smudie has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]") [15:01] How many sifry's can you get in a mini? [15:01] lol [15:02] www.talkdigger.com [15:02] factoryjoe is the new marccanter - he has a vision that is going to get build in the next 10 year [15:02] is there a technorati extension for firefox ? [15:02] like the one for del.icio.us ? [15:02] Dries_! [15:02] i can't sing! [15:02] IRC is the biggest doss house, by the looks of it [15:02] is that a requirement? [15:02] factoryjoe CAN sing, get him drunk [15:02] well i would think so [15:03] photomatt_paris: SHHHHH [15:03] joe would look good in silk [15:03] ;) [15:03] ...not that I know anything about that [15:03] gah! [15:03] silk skirt [15:03] matt feels good in silk [15:03] so i hear [15:03] new net...? WEB2.0!!! [15:03] <_neezee> silk feels good. [15:03] pink silk skirt [15:03] Silk 2.0 [15:03] all speakers next year will be *forced* to wear pink silk [15:03] tying up loose ends yakes a whole new meaning [15:03] takes, even [15:04] i hope factoryjoe will sing tonight [15:04] i think factoryjoe should go for silver rather than gold, and practice the *pinky-finger-to-the-mouth* gesture as MiniMe does [15:04] <_neezee> lloyd i am more audio oriented, but please. that will hurt my eyes [15:04] <_neezee> btw marc is sleeping again [15:04] push that meme...;) http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mattandchrisaregay [15:04] Dries_ you're so on fire [15:04] oh you didn't [15:04] neezee: bring your shades [15:04] i will personnaly get him drunk [15:04] <_neezee> tara looking for opportunities? ;) [15:04] i'm so not speaking to you again [15:04] * dotBen requests someone near Canter taps him on the head [15:04] oh snap [15:04] are you casting spells at me? I've a mana shield up [15:05] <_neezee> that would be jeff. [15:05] * tara tara pouting [15:05] (he REALLY IS asleep again) [15:05] i think i match my shirt about now [15:05] cantervsben.mov next? http://dltq.org/media/menavsben.mov [15:05] dltq: where's springer? [15:05] * neilmcintosh has quit IRC [15:05] * BenHammersley has quit IRC ("byeeee") [15:06] * alaz has joined #lesblogs [15:06] oh boy [15:06] did i miss something? [15:06] nope [15:07] caught another dose [15:07] http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/ [15:07] <_neezee> marc how do you know, you slept ;) [15:07] If you want to rewind :-) [15:07] it stirs... [15:07] * oliverwagner has joined #lesblogs [15:07] dave is looking for the voice [15:07] you know, people who talk on phones in the middle of conferences are very rude [15:08] surely it does matter: "what you have to say" X readers [15:08] where Jeff Jarvis more users than our irish friend [15:08] SUW: they are totally rude, geez, they should really pay attention [15:08] they should shut the fuck up [15:08] some people think people who talk on IRC is rude too... [15:08] and let me do my email in peace [15:09] tap tappity tap [15:09] um [15:09] <_neezee> suw just turn around and give him a look [15:09] that was deep [15:09] tap tap tippety tap [15:09] shuffle shuffle [15:09] tpfkac [15:09] the 'me'conomy [15:09] eat it! [15:09] look at me ma, I'm dancin' [15:09] neezee, hope u like the vdo [15:09] person formerly known as consumer [15:09] <_neezee> charles i will look at them later. [15:09] he's asleep again [15:09] Suw: blog about them. make their name known as "people who don't pay attention" so they don't get invites :P [15:10] love it ;) [15:10] man, I wouldn't Canter to drive me anywhere.... [15:10] hey michel_v! [15:10] we need a live cantercam [15:10] lol [15:10] ..we'd be off the road [15:10] Suw :) [15:10] Marc is getting to old [15:10] dotben++ [15:10] go Ben! go Ben! [15:10] * Tantek has joined #lesblogs [15:10] nice pic of hugh [15:10] looks like Bill G. [15:11] he does! [15:11] * vowe has joined #lesblogs [15:11] * jalonso has joined #lesblogs [15:11] jalonso is Julio Alonso and founder of Weblogs SL, www.weblogssl.com [15:11] <_neezee> hi vowe [15:11] "Imagine you are the CEO of a blog search enginge" [15:11] hi Tantek! [15:11] Marc is not available at the moment. Can I take a message ? [15:11] Tantek is here? [15:11] hi nocole [15:11] nicole :-) [15:11] web 2.0! isn't that what's made of people/ [15:11] peterkaminski is channeling tantek [15:11] cantercam on screen ! [15:11] oh dear [15:11] calm down ben, it's only a panel [15:11] oooooh scary [15:11] Suw: soylent green is people [15:12] ?learn web 2.0 is people [15:12] web 2.0 is people [15:12] * oliverwagner has quit IRC (Client Quit) [15:12] Mind you, Canter does need the beauty sleep [15:12] ?learn web 2.0 is soylent green [15:12] web 2.0 is people and soylent green [15:12] BADDLY [15:12] people eyeballs sticky people parts - bah! [15:12] Canter 2.0 rocks [15:12] Suw: Does that count for the backchannel as well? I'll hang up then shall I? [15:12] I am *not* waking up the Beauty Sleep with a kiss [15:12] ?learn web 2.0 is the past [15:12] web 2.0 is people and soylent green and the past [15:12] well *I* see Tantek, even if y'all don't :-) [15:12] <_neezee> ton you are not in this room annoying us but only others ;) [15:12] parts DRINK [15:13] backchannels are people!! [15:13] dammit, we're all people! [15:13] peter: that's nice...now go take your vitamins...;) [15:13] humans beings are people too! [15:13] lol [15:13] speak for yourself, I'm a showerbot [15:13] jibot isn't people [15:13] <_neezee> well, jeff may be in a special position, but then means also he is more special for watching. [15:13] _neezee: I'll let the guy on the other end of line know, I'm ok annoying him :) [15:13] Tantek! [15:13] a reason to wake up [15:13] Now YOU are seeing him too? [15:14] what's going on over there? [15:14] /mei and marccanter in their own consensual reality :-) [15:14] i don't see a tantek [15:14] * jemstone_ has joined #lesblogs [15:14] * tara what's a Tantek? (question asked by dotben) [15:14] i did see a tantek [15:14] must be some buddhist thing [15:14] tantek sex [15:14] * dotBen tanks Tara.. with a kick under the seat [15:15] * patrickt has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:15] * Suw 's mind boggles [15:15] dotBen: tantek.com [15:15] * jyri has quit IRC [15:15] * sztahanov has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [15:15] community is about not being alone. [15:15] * sztahanov has joined #lesblogs [15:16] * patrickt has joined #lesblogs [15:16] that's sweet [15:16] you're on screen again [15:16] nice! [15:16] HI MOM [15:16] is that good? [15:16] * tara i.e. warning [15:16] * tara ie. be nice [15:16] no swearing? [15:16] ok no, talking about, er, um. *cough* [15:16] ;) [15:16] what are they saying on the panel now? [15:17] there's a panel on now? [15:17] ie. no more jokes about people sleeping or, erm, those rude people behind Suw who keep talking on cellphones [15:17] the backchannel is the real reality [15:17] i don't know, i'm not in paris [15:17] surely this is now the FRONT Channel? [15:17] it's a back panel. [15:17] real realty reality? [15:17] <_neezee> well. if people like to keep two faces on what they say and what not, that is okay. just telling. [15:17] * felixpetersen has joined #lesblogs [15:17] frontchannel / backpanel [15:17] heh _n [15:17] the panopticon [15:18] this whole two faces thing is slightly unsettling to me [15:18] not two faces, official and personal personas [15:18] you want to make that N faces. gotta scale. [15:18] mmm thanks salim that sound cool [15:18] http://wiki.oreillynet.com/foocamp04/index.cgi?FeedMesh [15:19] <_neezee> dltq we are used to that in daily life. people smiling at you but bitching behind your back - instead being secure enough to not play nice when they don't mean it. [15:19] "14h30-15h45: Tracking/Listening to the Online World" - so what are the conclusions so far? [15:19] http://www.flickr.com/photos/vowe/70850191/ [15:19] this is the first I've heard of version 2 of feedmesh? [15:19] * mygdal has joined #lesblogs [15:19] mygdal is in Copenhagen, Denmark [15:19] We bloggers are spending far more time talking about Dell than Dell is talking about us. [15:19] Feedmesh: Temporary working group to discuss Feed Mesh technology for weblog ping aggregation and peering. [15:19] * jemstone has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [15:19] we spend more money buying dell than they do buying our stuff too [15:20] http://mindset.research.yahoo.com/ [15:20] here! [15:20] <_neezee> dotben there is not so much that thing. there is only one you which is able to bring different facettes of yourself out on the person you are talking to. but each one is influencing the other. [15:20] you know what, i don't really care about other peopel being two-faced. people do that sort of thing. if they get caught out, that's their problem, not mine. [15:20] <_neezee> marc is snorking. snorking=? [15:20] snarking [15:20] ? [15:20] <_neezee> snorring? [15:20] as in "jumping the..."? [15:20] <_neezee> making noises when sleeping [15:20] snoring [15:20] the snarking of the hunt [15:20] snorkling? [15:21] keep breathing folks [15:21] this is the No.2 result for "dell customer support" on google. a whine from a tech mag but not a blog. Dell is no 1.http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10867 [15:21] http://mindset.research.yahoo.com/search.php?p=Marc+Canter&prssweb=Search+the+Web [15:22] microformats! [15:22] oooh this is the first time i see mindset [15:24] mmmmmmm i'm cantering....nudge me someone [15:25] .7 word? [15:25] someone poke perfectpath [15:25] cfd: twa [15:25] <_neezee> people want the one and only do what i want button, not more words. [15:25] <_neezee> or "do what I think but am not able to tell you, but you should still deliver that" [15:25] thanks suw [15:26] ?learn cantering is the act of falling asleep at conferences [15:26] cantering is the act of falling asleep at conferences [15:26] * pforret41 has joined #lesblogs [15:26] Anina is on Wired magazeine: http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,69757,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_3 [15:26] twa? [15:26] * pforret has quit IRC [15:26] that's .7 of a word [15:26] ok, canter is snoring now [15:26] ha! [15:26] cantering away [15:26] canter sound 10 seats away [15:26] <_neezee> marc thanks. ;) [15:26] Took care of it [15:27] S: (adj) cantering (riding at a gait between a trot and a gallop) "the cantering soldiers" [15:27] i do a bit of podcasting, but it's ok, i'v egot it under control [15:27] Dennis Howlett's podcasts are going to have some interesting background noises [15:27] i could give up any time i like [15:27] * neilmcintosh has joined #lesblogs [15:27] hi I'm lloyd and I'm a compulsive podcaster [15:27] Anina is a good study in going for a niche... [15:27] going for anina in a niche? [15:28] don't need to know [15:28] :) [15:28] she does have a lovely niche [15:28] LOL...pick a niche... [15:28] i hear [15:28] I should try to go at a fashion conference claiming to be a nerd... [15:28] hello peter, tara, suw, marc, all [15:28] LOL [15:28] <_neezee> okay, who has ringing running there? [15:28] tara: yeah pick your niche, but wash your hands afterwards [15:28] He's here! [15:28] for the moment [15:28] hey! the tantek lives! [15:28] see? i told ya! [15:29] who were we to doubt you, pete? [15:29] sup Tantek [15:29] * Tantek is getting ready to run off to When 2.0 [15:29] ... [15:29] when? [15:29] Where 2.0 ? [15:29] That's so funny...Tantek: http://www.flickr.com/photos/missrogue/70849539/ [15:29] * Suw wants to go to Where 2.0 and Why 2.0 [15:29] * Tantek looks in the general direction of his event roll: http://tantek.com/log/ [15:29] huh [15:29] GMTA [15:29] * FlyOnTheWall has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]") [15:29] * tariq_netvibes has quit IRC [15:30] * tara you can take the geeks out of the city, but ... [15:30] * maartens wonders why Anina, as self-declared geek, is not in the chat... [15:30] um [15:30] * michel_v could use How 2.0 [15:30] he is right. tags are too unstructured to be much use for anyone other than yourself. [15:30] i don't have a city in me [15:30] there's geeks and there's geeks [15:30] and that bloody flock browser [15:30] dem geeks [15:30] hey tantek we need some text for the press relese [15:30] piece of shyte [15:30] no, but the city follows us everywhere [15:30] er, i thought that was the point of tags [15:30] tara, that flickr photo is way too real-time-meta [15:30] that bloody flock, yes, never use it [15:30] aggregate enough social tagging, and it gets really good - witness flickr clusters [15:30] totally [15:30] metameta [15:30] Polo... mint, car, sport, clothing brand? [15:30] yeah suw, just wear the t-shirt [15:31] meta 2.0 [15:31] Wordz 2.1 [15:31] lol [15:31] * toine has joined #lesblogs [15:31] hey... categories in TYpepad are automatically addeed as tags on technorati [15:31] we need non-tags [15:31] apple -computer [15:32] rodrigo: yep [15:32] rodrigo: categories in any RSS item are added [15:32] Thanks for the free publicity :-) [15:32] anti-tags [15:32] 'this post is not about...' [15:32] * StephanV has joined #lesblogs [15:32] yep. [15:32] follow the toolmakers, for they shall inherit the earth [15:32] tools [15:32] buncha tools [15:33] are useful for tagging [15:33] oh sorry yes, the tools shall inherit the earth [15:33] ahah, reminds me of old b2 querystrings. you could ask a category but minus one the posts that also belonged in another category [15:33] * JorisL has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:33] * alaz has quit IRC (No route to host) [15:33] k [15:33] sounds straight forward [15:33] very fuckused panel [15:33] maartens> I blog or http://sepulveda.net which is a HTML redirect to http://rodrigo.TYPEPAD.com [15:33] not [15:33] * mcabiling has quit IRC (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC for those that like to be different") [15:33] * Suw has quit IRC [15:33] * paolovalde has left #lesblogs [15:33] * jalonso has quit IRC ("Computer goes to sleep!") 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[16:07] * jalonso has joined #lesblogs [16:07] jalonso is Julio Alonso and founder of Weblogs SL, www.weblogssl.com [16:07] * photomatt_paris_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) [16:08] * tonneree has joined #lesblogs [16:08] * Suw has joined #lesblogs [16:08] settle down everyone, settle down [16:08] let ben start so i at least get to see a bit of his talk before i rush off [16:08] * tonneree is now known as mcabiling [16:09] * JaanusSkype has joined #lesblogs [16:09] hey all [16:09] I should have learned photoshop. [16:09] go joe [16:09] * TonWes has joined #lesblogs [16:09] * m-c has joined #lesblogs [16:10] powerpoint? [16:10] mac vs beamer again? [16:10] screen problems!! get Dave Sifry!! [16:10] * Lanfeust21 has joined #lesblogs [16:10] * crosswick__ has joined #lesblogs [16:11] * tara has joined #lesblogs [16:11] * crosswick___ has joined #lesblogs [16:11] * dotBen__ has joined #lesblogs [16:11] * dotBen__ is now known as dotBen [16:11] * factoryjoe has left #lesblogs [16:11] * factoryjoe has joined #lesblogs [16:11] come on Ben, get it together [16:12] * cyf has joined #lesblogs [16:12] * adecarvalho has joined #lesblogs [16:12] adecarvalho is Alex & Brazilian & living in France for now & blogs at http://www.tapio.com & on flickr at http://flickr.com/photos/adc/ [16:12] * factoryjoe has left #lesblogs [16:12] * factoryjoe has joined #lesblogs [16:12] * weemac has joined #lesblogs [16:12] factoryjoe: one lucky flocker ;) [16:12] :D [16:13] yeah [16:13] and i'm so dead: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70863244/ [16:13] lol [16:13] * bunny_afterskool is now known as bunnywabbit_ [16:13] * dotBen slaps factoryjoe [16:13] gill sans - my favourite font [16:13] * dsifry has joined #lesblogs [16:13] dsifry is Dave Sifry and his blog is at http://www.sifry.com/alerts and also in proximity to Technorati and is an IRCtease [16:13] * oliverwagner has quit IRC [16:14] * ant0ine has joined #lesblogs [16:14] * loiclemeur has joined #lesblogs [16:14] Ben is great [16:14] * dsifry is an unabashed Hammersley fan [16:14] Suw: seen my photos? [16:14] I like anteloipe [16:14] more loincloths! [16:15] * jstuker has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") [16:15] bunnywabbit_: no, at conference :) [16:15] aha [16:15] enjoy [16:15] taking notes? [16:15] nah [16:16] * snyke75 has joined #lesblogs [16:16] * loiclemeur has quit IRC (Client Quit) [16:16] suw : 15mn [16:16] "podcasting the decline of civilization" [16:16] mcabiling: thank you! i have my eye on the clock\] [16:16] being civilised is declining in podcastability? [16:16] hey cool phase effect with two mikes [16:17] the iraqies, klingons? [16:17] fertile croissant? [16:17] and I'm the Ben that get's the stick! [16:17] * surfnode has joined #lesblogs [16:18] surely the rat of change sayslittle about the up and down of civilisations? just nit picking [16:18] rate [16:18] rat of change :) I know a few of those! [16:18] * Salim has joined #lesblogs [16:19] I don't want to see his rise.. [16:19] * _neezee has joined #lesblogs [16:19] _neezee is Nicole Simon from usefulsounds.com and crueltobeking.org and as nice as jeannie. [16:19] * YmeBosma has joined #lesblogs [16:19] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Eden [16:19] i'm not sure that's his point [16:19] * EZToms has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:19] * crosswick has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:20] * Salim has quit IRC (Client Quit) [16:20] * photomatt_paris has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:20] * o4media_ has joined #lesblogs [16:20] * crosswick_ has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:21] i bet there's going to be a mashup opportunity somewhere in this [16:21] five mins [16:21] * ebow_ has joined #lesblogs [16:21] * JeffClavier_ has joined #lesblogs [16:21] 10mn suw ;) [16:21] * ebow_ is now known as robertandrews [16:21] actually 9 [16:21] well, i need to get my luggage] [16:22] ah yes ;) [16:22] so was going to actually leave my seat a little ahead of time [16:22] * JeffClavier has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:22] * JeffClavier_ is now known as JeffClavier [16:23] i'm sure mr. ed would have something to say about htis [16:23] <_neezee> race horses can talk?` [16:23] * laughingsquid has quit IRC [16:23] singularity bingo coming up [16:23] wiiiiihhhhlllllbbbbhhuuurrrr [16:23] ha ha ha [16:24] * antoin has joined #lesblogs [16:24] * EZToms has joined #lesblogs [16:24] so he is explaining why it is important that Google is never given control over the power grid. [16:24] *sighs* [16:24] <_neezee> well, i think ben does not even want google to exist. [16:25] i am hating the whole missing the end of this. [16:25] someone please email me a link when it's up online? [16:25] what are these 8 things then ? [16:25] * Suw looks at the clock and sighs [16:25] * dotBen suw eyes up another man on stage she would to "get to know better" (wink wink) [16:25] suw: http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/ [16:25] Google Electricity would be in perpetual beta... sometimes it would work, sometimes it would be down for months, maybe it will kill you [16:25] bye bye guys [16:25] bye Suw! [16:25] bye Suw [16:25] thanks maartens [16:25] bye [16:25] t'ra [16:25] it's been bloggy [16:25] bye Suw [16:25] cya Suw [16:25] maartens - those videos will be online for some time right? [16:25] see y'all again soon [16:25] :D [16:25] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryder%27s_Law [16:25] * Suw has quit IRC [16:26] * laughingsquid has joined #lesblogs [16:26] hi scott [16:26] * neilmcintosh has joined #lesblogs [16:27] http://www.garreau.com/main.cfm?action=book&id=2 [16:27] punchcards in 1900?? [16:27] yeah, punchcards happened pretty early [16:27] fuckin wikipedia [16:27] nice copy from Joel Garreau's book called Radical Evolution (2005) [16:27] "willing suspension of disbelief" [16:28] or rather, they existed for a long time after they were first used :-) [16:28] he is gponna talk about nanotech, robotics, biotech and IT I guess now [16:28] -->mechanical turks [16:28] or nanotech bollocks, at least :-) [16:28] that's not an exponential curv [16:28] * crosswick__ is now known as yuri [16:28] "Don't pick the holes in talk, it's more of an impressionistic thing" - Ben Hammersley, Les Blogs 2.0, 5/12/05 5:25:10 pm CET [16:28] The scale is exponential... [16:29] JeffClavier: plz add to "favorite quotes" on the wiki [16:29] dotben: yes it's depend on the scale [16:29] ahhh yes [16:29] "...the scale of bullshit was exponential..." [16:29] thanks to Ray KUrzweil, Bill Joy and Jaron Lanier !! [16:29] $100? my life is so cheap [16:30] maybe the Hell and Heaven scenarios are next ;-) [16:30] * ant0ine has quit IRC ("This computer has gone to sleep") [16:30] * Ewan_ has joined #lesblogs [16:31] <_neezee> hi ewan :) [16:31] Hey nicole [16:32] <_neezee> ewan, ben is presenting, you will not get much backchatting here, as darling is presenting. [16:32] FactoryJoe> Done [16:32] <_neezee> jeff nice [16:32] ewan, even I am behaving [16:32] now that I've been "outed" [16:32] actually the wikipedia quote says from wikipedia says that in 2025, its the works of every member of the human race on a 100 dollar device http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryder%27s_Law [16:32] * paolovalde has joined #lesblogs [16:32] * jyri has joined #lesblogs [16:32] <_neezee> dotben stop playing something you are not. [16:32] Don't pick the holes in talk [16:33] * Salim has joined #lesblogs [16:33] ben won't mind [16:33] all your data on one drive project at Microsoft Research: http://www.research.microsoft.com/barc/MediaPresence/MyLifeBits.aspx [16:33] <_neezee> if he is used to that, okay. [16:33] frictionless == fuck the RIAA [16:34] * o4media has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:34] frictionless [16:34] we can exploit each other too [16:35] <_neezee> jem only for a limited amount of time. [16:35] marccanter, jyri : *virtual introduction* [16:37] * antoin has quit IRC ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") [16:37] * antoin has joined #lesblogs [16:37] quick send your ecards now ! [16:38] http://www.boingboing.net/2005/12/02/france_about_to_get_.html [16:39] * rodrigo_ has joined #lesblogs [16:39] WSIS.. wusses [16:39] is this french law real? [16:39] <_neezee> it will be as it seems. [16:39] ouch..! less of the dancing, mate! hard enough to have to see you legs [16:39] <_neezee> and if they really bring it on, they will try eu level. [16:40] <_neezee> which will be even worse [16:40] mass amateurization wear: http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/62180061/ [16:41] the law has not been voted yet [16:41] hmm [16:41] i doubt it will pass [16:41] so point is... be nice? [16:41] maybe the Hell and Heaven scenarios are next ;-)/ [16:41] <_neezee> raymond well, i don't [16:41] <_neezee> factoryjoe with whom? [16:41] you think the french members of parliament have gone insane? [16:42] it's basically a bad written text which has been put together very fast. The main point is to ban p2p softwares which don't control drms [16:42] <_neezee> dltq well. [16:42] certainly not gov't or corporations! [16:42] Moore's Law is limited in 2015 [16:42] <_neezee> dltq you don't want real answer on this, looking at european politics [16:42] p2p actors + centralized government... [16:42] like the greek people did 2 or 3 years ago when they wanted to ban online gambling [16:42] bad news [16:42] let's not forget there are thousands of insane laws that aren't enforced... [16:43] especially in France [16:43] Salim: but these inane laws give authorities immense harrassing power [16:43] their text resulted in something that would ban every electronic game... [16:43] did you know that it's illegal to back out of your driveway in NH? [16:43] <_neezee> salim, there are media companies etcd this time behind it who are interested in enforcing it - big time [16:43] ever been cited for a "yellow line violation"? [16:43] <_neezee> factoryjoe i assume you have? [16:44] most places it is. [16:44] a lot of places anyway. [16:44] he is quoting the thoughts of Ray Kurzweil [16:44] glad we clapped before... [16:44] hmm [16:44] the first hippies messed it up [16:45] online petition and site on proposed law http://eucd.info/index.php?English-readers [16:45] the Renaissance 2.0 also has technical restrictions (Moore's Law e.g.) [16:45] <_neezee> yuri if we only share stuff we come up with ourselves, then we will not really get further [16:45] hippie 2.0: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/65355285/ [16:45] * sztahanov has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:45] * rodrigo has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:46] think remix [16:46] * NicoleSimon has joined #lesblogs [16:46] * sztahanov has joined #lesblogs [16:46] blogging the cat [16:46] Neezee: agreed [16:47] http://www.boingboing.net/2005/12/02/france_about_to_get_.html [16:47] Not the IRC! [16:47] http://eucd.info/index.php?English-readers [16:47] the front panel [16:47] Bill Joy sees a different Renaissance 2.0 [16:47] yuri and i get sick if we always go for "ooooh but another one needs credit for it" [16:47] http://www.eucd.info/ [16:47] * thobu has joined #lesblogs [16:47] http://www.fsffrance.org/news/article2005-11-25.en.html [16:48] eff the networks...let's build our own [16:48] we have to get some big players on our side. [16:48] absolutely, but noone that would co-opt us for their own interests [16:48] treason? [16:48] big players? [16:48] um [16:49] we're not? [16:49] well, there's nothing wrong with lining up with people who have the same interests. [16:49] the blogosphere strikes back [16:49] joe: you are totally right. as a collective, we kick ass [16:49] we are the renaissance 2.0. [16:49] * thobu has quit IRC (Client Quit) [16:49] i think that is a little optimistic. [16:49] so, who's up for pooling some funds to bail ben outta the slammer? [16:49] * ant0ine has joined #lesblogs [16:49] OF WITH THEIR HEADS! [16:50] I've a 5er [16:50] ;) [16:50] we are Renaissance 2.0 in case we can overcome the worries of Bill Joy and the power of resisting incumbents [16:50] * chrisheuer has joined #lesblogs [16:50] dude, if we all wear kilts, they won't fuck wit us [16:50] etribes bar: HOTEL CONCORDE LA FAYETTE PARIS The nearest metro station is "Porte Maillot" (Line 1 : crossing Paris main points of interest from the West to the East). The access is through the shopping arcade, from the hotel lobby. [16:50] kilts ++ [16:50] is it true what they say about kilts ? [16:51] THEY MAY TAKE OUR PRIVACY, BUT THEY WON'T TAKE OUR FREEDOOOMMMMM [16:51] ummm, Chris still wants his kilt eh? [16:51] kilts and chocolate [16:51] Chris + kilt = oooo la la [16:51] bon soir [16:51] whoa now [16:51] FREEEEDOMM! [16:51] see what you started [16:51] let's all wear kilts and dance [16:51] I DO!!!!! [16:51] totally [16:51] And I'm a TRUE Scotsman [16:51] * photomatt_paris has joined #lesblogs [16:52] where can we shop for kilts in Paris? [16:52] I think the robe is getting neglected here - lets have some love for the traditional robes [16:52] I live next to a kilt factory. I'll take orders later [16:52] movie codecs?! [16:52] * Interdependent has joined #lesblogs [16:52] why can't we all just get along! [16:52] http://www.heritageofscotland.com/ [16:52] what is the current session? [16:52] Ben Hammersley [16:52] he rocks [16:52] http://www.heritageofscotland.com/Kilt-Packages/Deluxe-Argyle-Kilt-Outfit/pid,3515,cid,90213,product.php [16:52] effing brilliant [16:53] * Interdependent is now known as Ton_Zylstra [16:53] Ton_Zylstra is deemed a geek by his partner, but thinks of himself as a bridge between technology and society [16:53] I just posted about it [16:53] tara: where? [16:53] http://www.horsepigcow.com/ [16:53] * Ton_Zijlstra has quit IRC (Nick collision from services.) [16:53] thanks :) [16:54] I also posted about the crap going on around the IRC bashing [16:54] right below the Ben post [16:54] tara is good on getting on memeorandum ;) [16:54] lol [16:54] * Ton_Zylstra is now known as Ton_Zijlstra [16:54] tara is good at getting on... [16:54] what about the idea that we are like all the other generations claiming they are all part of a historic period in time? [16:55] 'scuse me? [16:55] * factoryjoe slaps chrisheuer [16:55] down boy! [16:55] tut tut [16:55] ben++ [16:55] 1:0 [16:55] yowza [16:55] we are like them - they were a part of historic periods of time [16:55] ben rulez [16:55] he did say that at the beginning though [16:55] picking holes again [16:55] ok, entendres aside, i meant good at getting on anything related to marketing and press etc... [16:56] * factoryjoe has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:56] LOL... ah... [16:56] what dirty minds you have [16:56] what no break? [16:56] my arse is fast asleep [16:56] something free: http://www.eire.com/2005/12/06/a-free-custom-laptop-skin-for-people-attending-les-blogs/ [16:57] * factoryjoe has joined #lesblogs [16:57] * dsifry has quit IRC [16:58] tara - from last post - how are id cards and DB's barriers? [16:59] He didn't get into that...you should email him...I assume because our identity is not our own? [16:59] they 'could' be enablers instead [16:59] www.gbn.org is claiming Asia and China is migrating to open source standards and more liberal technology policies [17:00] see also www.iftf.org [17:01] you browse with chopsticks [17:01] * neilmcintosh has quit IRC [17:02] * Ton_Zijlstra has quit IRC [17:03] * Ton_Zijlstra has joined #lesblogs [17:03] * bunnywabbit_ has quit IRC [17:03] * _neezee has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [17:04] in singapore the firewall is only for the little people [17:04] * alienist has joined #lesblogs [17:04] * martinvars has joined #lesblogs [17:04] * neilmcintosh has joined #lesblogs [17:06] where would we get laptopps from? [17:06] gradual migrating from social market economy to more liberal models is in my view necessary due to the perception that frragmentation of China is a risk [17:06] in soviet russia the fire walls you [17:07] * photomatt_paris has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") [17:08] technology policies within a region or country can only be truly understood within the broader macro context of demographics,culture, economics and politics. [17:08] Historically, free societies have much less trouble producing enough food... [17:08] a revolutionary in our midst. [17:08] * marccanter has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [17:09] Avian flu is a big risk [17:09] Exactly: how can problems be fixed if people are not allowed to talk about them? [17:09] * neilmcintosh has quit IRC [17:10] quoting Peter Schwartz open systems (speech) are more durable and effective than closed systems; The Long Boom.... [17:10] the issues around freedom of speach are bigger than the blogosphrere... but my point would be what real contribution can a mass of people bring to the 'sphere if they don't have the freedom to say what they want? [17:10] thats a crucial issue [17:11] Good point [17:11] because they test bondaries. because they learn from one another what is working or not - and how to get around it. [17:13] problems can be fixed by outsiders (MaartenS) [17:13] yuri: or made worse... [17:13] even through in basic totally cultures? i doubt that. [17:13] though not preferably of course [17:13] even through in basic totally different cultures? i doubt that. [17:13] jasoncalacanis: awake ? [17:14] * neilmcintosh has joined #lesblogs [17:14] * patrickt has quit IRC [17:14] what is the goal of the speech though? to increase awareness for a different POV or to just fuck with people because you can? I think the problem most people have is with the latter not the former - (btw -all speech should be free and governed only by good senses which requires us to fix the education problem now) [17:14] well being able to talk between yourself is better than not be talking at all. [17:15] chrisheuer: what's the "education problem"?? [17:15] * fmahon has quit IRC [17:15] pforret: what do you think about that ? [17:16] Maybe the time will come for enlightened leaders like Gorbatsjov in China someday.... [17:16] and chrisheuer: what is 'good sense'? [17:16] * bunnywabbit_ has joined #lesblogs [17:16] Off with their heads! ;-) [17:16] * dglazkov has joined #lesblogs [17:17] how did Hammersley's talk end? [17:17] * oliverwagner has joined #lesblogs [17:17] oh well, Tara, looks like we'll never know! [17:17] with clapping [17:17] what'd I miss? [17:17] oh man [17:17] eff good sense [17:17] you missed a bit [17:17] tara++ [17:17] Can we get an update on [17:17] * bandwidth per day [17:17] * total storage used [17:17] Lanfeust: everybody seems to think that free speech is better than no free speech. They disagree on the transition speed. Journalists want it now. China wants it slower. I get it. next question. [17:17] (bias aside) [17:17] oops [17:17] wrong window :-) [17:17] dltq, he put it on us to change the world [17:18] * jemstone_ has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:18] he would blame us for not doing it. ;) [17:18] any good weblogs on economic analyis of political events? [17:18] Puteaux [17:18] oh yeah save the world. let's just do it [17:18] Mena. [17:18] in case I was Chinese I better watch my posts on WWW due to the longevity of search databases [17:19] unfortunately [17:19] well, he said we're lucky that we get to save the world, but unlucky that it's ours to fail to do it, as well [17:19] that's a chilling effect [17:19] economics: http://www.marginalrevolution.com/ [17:19] cool. a big chinese intranet. that would be scary. [17:20] oh that will come [17:20] HUGE responsibility [17:20] thanks [17:20] I guess China will shoot itself in the foot with too restrictive [17:20] ah, but we have the creativity of the backchannel on our side :-) [17:20] policies due to the migration of key talents to outside China [17:20] i don't see a country like china being coming to democracy just like that - part of it will absolutly _need_ smaller steps or otherwise it might just get worse. but then agian, i am not chinese. [17:20] this is why I am so interested in RMacK's projects and connecting with bloggers from around the world [17:21] democracy is not for everyone [17:21] NicoleSimon, yu're absolutely right china will not be democratic for a long time [17:21] * sztahanov has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:21] * sztahanov has joined #lesblogs [17:22] well, it is not for everyone in western societies either - but still we try to achieve through democracy better things for everyone. [17:22] and communism is not for everyone [17:22] democracy and economic level of development are linked! [17:22] hmm [17:22] there's also a question of how you define democracy, whether it's defined by 1-person-1-vote elections only, or whether its defined also by other things like the participation of a majority of citizens in rational discourse [17:22] * wavestorm has joined #lesblogs [17:22] hey ;) [17:22] etc [17:22] yeah, that's about what i was going to say [17:22] RMacK i really doubt it would be good for the world either, if they really get into this kind of chaotic state. I am amazed how much china has evolved in the last years compared to before. [17:23] democracy and development are not linked......it is about rights, legal issues primarily [17:23] Neil Postman "Amusing Ourselves to Death" - fantastic book... [17:23] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140094385/ [17:23] treb: making that a direct correlation makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up [17:23] democracy is like ajax -- it just encompasses a bunch of semi-agreed upon ideas that havae been around and dispersed and in use for a long time [17:23] NicoleSimon i never said china should have a revolution tomorrow. i agree chaos is not good, and its up to the chinese people to figure this out. [17:23] "participation of a majority of citizens in rational discourse" by this measure, there are very few democratic countries, in most western countries most people just do their thing and dont participate much [17:23] * mygdal has quit IRC [17:23] however i have interviewed too many dissidents and too many victims of torture to think that everything's all hunky dory [17:23] * jemstone has joined #lesblogs [17:23] * jyri has quit IRC [17:23] * bunnywabbit_ has quit IRC [17:24] joe+ [17:24] * cfd has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [17:24] jaanusskype youre right. [17:24] if the legal framework is not in place the less-developed country will collapse with too much democracy see Russia [17:24] treb++ [17:24] political system discussion is one thing; figuring out what kind of culture, society, civilization and norms is something else [17:24] well said, treb [17:24] treb, that's exactly why many feel china should have gradual transition [17:24] * andrewma has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919]") [17:24] * jalonso has quit IRC ("Computer goes to sleep!") [17:24] treb: wasn't russia a dump already before democracy broke out? [17:24] the biggest mistake one could make is to try to force a culture onto another culture [17:24] democracy is a culture [17:24] dglazkov ++ [17:24] RMacK++ [17:24] you meaning bombing the crap out of country doesn't lead to fertile grounds for democratic roots to take place? [17:25] i dont think anybody here is talking about forcing one culture onto another culture [17:25] huh [17:25] * weemac has left #lesblogs [17:25] china should learn from Eastern Europe and the World Bank Failure!!! [17:25] RMacK oh no - i don't think there is. and it is not enough to be satisfied with just some small steps like having some kind of ethernet .. but it is one small step, and we need many many more of them. and we need also more information on how chinese people think, probably especially because of the culture again. [17:25] factoryjoe: It worked on Japan and Germany ;-) [17:25] i dont think anybody here is advocating externally impsed regime change [17:25] Funny, there are no true democracies in existence today. [17:25] well ... [17:25] maartens: no, it didn't [17:26] countries with proportional representation and a sound electoral commission are pretty democratic. [17:26] dglazkov: well, then what caused it? [17:26] it worked because the culture was ready for change [17:26] nicolesimon, absolutely true. however what bugs me is that companies use these kinds of arguments to justify things like yahoo turning data over to the chinese police.. [17:26] a true democracy assumes educated citizens... that's a big assumption! [17:26] Japan and Germany were ready to change [17:26] and cisco helping configure censorship in routers [17:26] They were *made* ready [17:26] there is no question that some places are more democratic than others. [17:26] by bombing the crap out of them ;-) [17:26] true democracies failing is that because the US has failed? [17:26] the cause and effect isn't that clear [17:26] * cfd has joined #lesblogs [17:26] what's this with cisco? what groups are actively working on uncovering the details there? [17:27] RMacK well, that is a totally different thing. this is where _we_ have some responsibilty to do our part - in our world, where we can do stuff. [17:27] peterkaminski: could it have happened without war? [17:27] they were in transition anyway, which is why they started wars [17:27] It's not about failing or succeeding [17:27] We are dealing with people here [17:27] but? [17:27] maartens, maybe, maybe not [17:27] salim i hope we don't expect everything to be intelligent ;) [17:27] What can we learn from how we work collaboratively? [17:27] treb: i don't think so... the US hasn't failed... it's just lost its way a bit... [17:27] Open source perhaps? [17:27] * jyri has joined #lesblogs [17:27] but otoh, war doesn't necessarily change things [17:27] joe? [17:27] i don't think kindergarten grade government will continue to work or be applicable as the world's citizens are able to see, directly, how each other lives [17:28] exactly factoryjoe [17:28] but we all live in public. [17:28] nicolesimon, absolutely. [17:28] * mygdal has joined #lesblogs [17:28] serves the guy right for having an affair. [17:28] one Russian dude once said: the country will always deserve its tyrants [17:28] hmmmmm....end of big government? [17:28] no but true democracy relies on an educated voter... (that's why groups vote on a person who then votes etc etc) [17:28] if the us has lost its way a little it means it is reversible? [17:28] how do you define "here" [17:28] * jalonso has joined #lesblogs [17:28] yes... why? because inherent in the U.S system is flexibility and change... [17:28] this is France, but I don't sense french culture in the room [17:28] in japan they had to keep the shutter sound on the camera phones to stop guys taking unkown pictures ... [17:29] i don't know, the way things were governed 10 years ago is irrelevant now [17:29] I sense multi culture [17:29] maybe not entirely [17:29] that's why religions are failing... there's no mechanism for change inherent in that system [17:29] but for the most part [17:29] Salin: where are the flexiblity agents within the US system? [17:29] most laws are made by companies now [17:29] joe - if the governments are kindergarten grade, doesnt that imply that so is the society that elects them - that is what I was referencing when I mentioned the education problem [17:29] joe ++ [17:29] people with paper bag over their head are the ones that don't want to be in the pictures. [17:29] not by communities of people looking for fairness [17:29] gov't changes every 4 years... the constitution can be amended etc etc... (it's not perfect... but it's there) [17:29] Open systems outdo closed systems (Schwartz) [17:29] dltq, cisco also does business w/ the chinese public security bureau. their response to critics: its not illegal [17:29] chrisheuer: not at all [17:29] * problog has joined #lesblogs [17:30] The BBC has a no photos/filming without permission rule. crazy [17:30] Salim: it's way beyond that [17:30] * mygdal has quit IRC (Client Quit) [17:30] while some kinds of calcification and order are necessary in order for people to achieve, accomplish and have opportunity [17:30] agree that was just tip of the iceberg... business culture has change/improvement at the heart of the system.. is that what you mean? [17:30] IF someone want me to delete a picture taken of him/herself, just le me know [17:30] i think that 4 years no longer makes sense [17:30] =)) [17:30] dotben: what about when they do consumer expose programs and they harass businessmen at their home or office? [17:30] i think the constitution is a historic document [17:31] perhaps a legacy document? [17:31] why doesn't the rest of the world get to vote in US elections? [17:31] when our policies affect the rest of the world [17:31] historic conversation [17:31] There are no secrets, only information that's not yet been deleted from WikiPedia [17:31] the results would be very different [17:31] (speaking as an american, fyi) [17:31] antoin: the rule only applies in BBC buildings and property [17:31] factoryjoe, I might have sent a reporter your way [17:31] FJ - agree! 4 yrs doesn't make sense and I disagree ... the gov't spends 2 years understanding what's going on and 2 more trying to get reelected! [17:31] why don't most americans get to meaningfully vote in us elections. [17:31] a secret is something you tell to one person at a time [17:31] losing its way is part of evolution. Losing its ways is great [17:31] it teaches you that there is a better way [17:31] dotben: i'll know where to run to thn. [17:31] * oliverwagner has quit IRC [17:31] the constitution is no a conversation [17:32] s/no/not [17:32] that's for sure [17:32] it's a dictation [17:32] everything changes....even norms and values over time [17:32] and while i immensely respect it [17:32] I posit that countries are now not much different from companies... (you have a sales/marketing arm, accounting, etc etc) they just happen to be organized geographically.. [17:32] it's no longer representative of our cultural needs because of how we're growing as a civilization [17:32] democracy is temporarily. right now it is the least worse solution to the management issue [17:32] US loosing its way: Iraqi people would think different, they pay the price [17:32] Salim: yeah totally [17:32] I ask myself, will the concept of a country be relevant in 50 years? [17:33] * Tantek has joined #lesblogs [17:33] When I saw Clay Shirky speak about how the Dewey Decimal system used in libraries has rendered itself largely unmanageable becase of times changing...I thought instantly about our laws and constititution [17:33] is a country relevant today? [17:33] salim in 50 years, sure. [17:33] * neilmcintosh has quit IRC [17:33] tags are degenerate [17:33] salim 100 - i don't know. we have to cope with the fact that we change things we know for generations .. [17:33] what would be the equivalent offline? [17:33] dewey is still a sound system. [17:33] treb: the U.S is losing its way.. but that's a flaw that can be corrected... try changng the catholic church! [17:34] dewey-- [17:34] Antoin: it's becoming less and less 'sound' [17:34] ant0ine: until you try to classify world religions [17:34] it's a question of what you use it for. [17:34] im also optimist wrt US [17:34] And what your background is [17:34] it's fine for that. they're all in there. it's just that you have to understand that it's an academic-based system. [17:34] Booouche [17:34] Bush is a comedian [17:34] americans in the house [17:34] the U.S is probably the best system we have today... but there's a long way to go... [17:34] loads of bloggers love bush [17:35] conservative bloggers [17:35] LOL [17:35] some in the US have lost their way - those stereotypes dont apply to the couple of americans in this room we are hearing from now - some of us do understand the need for a more practical worldview of inclusiveness [17:35] loads of bloggers hate bush :-) [17:35] neo conservative bloggers - hundreds of thousands of em [17:35] Salin: this is not a serious? [17:35] "i don't vote for him - but i won't badmouth my country" could not happen in germany to say that. [17:35] democracy rules, but i still prefer a west wing white house ;-) [17:35] the first government that goes truly open source will lead for the next 50 years [17:35] I know...and they are very good at organizing themselves [17:35] facetious? faeceatious? [17:36] treb: ?? you're asking if I'm serious? clarify please? [17:36] he have not learned to be "proud" of our country, this was very much stripped out of the country and still is insisted on from the outside to be 'bad'. [17:36] factoryjoe: agree. China is working on it. [17:36] pforret: I think the latter [17:36] yeah, it doesn't matter which country adopts open source [17:36] yuri: China is going open source? [17:36] i said "government" [17:36] * martinvars has quit IRC [17:36] the chinese hate microsoft [17:36] as well as Latin America [17:36] China is going closed source at a govenment level [17:36] governments need not be constricted to geographic boundaries [17:36] facetious: "bantering: cleverly amusing in tone; "a bantering tone"; "facetious remarks"; "tongue-in-cheek advice" [17:36] they are only going open source where it makes financial sense [17:37] they dont want to be dependent on microsoft [17:37] totally closed source government (I know) [17:37] not linux code, but mental model [17:37] ...and thus americans. [17:37] let me be contentious... do we run companies on a democracy? why not....? [17:37] * alienist has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919]") [17:37] chrisheuer: right [17:37] they want their own 3G standad, their own next-gen DVD standard. they want to licence it to others too for ca$h [17:37] Salim: what do you mean? [17:37] They have an amazing trade in piracy in China [17:37] dave: can you say "we" please? [17:37] US as a best system today? did you look at CNN today (CIA flights, etc.), this was definitely not something what US democracy stands for [17:38] their interest in open source has to do with their desire not to be dependent on proprietary u.s. technology [17:38] RMacK++ [17:38] 1) c [17:38] (I know, 'cause I took advantage and am the proud owner of over 100 dvds from my trip there) [17:38] RMacK: well nobody wants to see a russian disaster happen again [17:38] i think we're blinded that democracy is the best form of gov't possible... [17:38] yes [17:38] RMacK: yes, that's why they are going open source (which is fine), but it's not for "the sake of open source" [17:38] salim++ [17:38] well it's too limiting [17:38] Salim: it just the least bad of all available choices [17:38] we let our language control this discussion [17:38] question: can we have freedom of speech and freedom with a form other than democracy? [17:38] Maartens: agree! [17:38] RMacK: I'm thinking of that famous explosion when Russians peeped on US code, stole it, while and programmers [17:38] we shouldn't chose the lesser of evils [17:39] rather than the pure ideas and desires that we're looking to achieve [17:39] whoops [17:39] * ant0ine has quit IRC ("This computer has gone to sleep") [17:39] Dave Sifry for President! [17:39] we just don't have a better construct (yet! [17:39] RMacK: while programmers had introduced a lethal bu [17:39] bug [17:39] rmack: whatever [17:39] * vowe has joined #lesblogs [17:39] * Ton_Zijlstra is off. Time to start cooking dinner [17:39] Dave Sifry for CEO of technorati [17:39] that's not because of not wanting US proprietary technology, it's more about wanting control [17:39] well, i would need a digital one which changes each time i am somewhere different. [17:39] and that's why every government should go with opensource [17:39] RMacK> Dace Sifry for President of the Internet Nation ? [17:40] rodrigo_ sure [17:40] * Ton_Zijlstra has left #lesblogs [17:40] how about we ban presidents? [17:40] because, frankly, I don't trust any opaque company stuff with my votes and taxes [17:40] he'll need a vice-president :) ? [17:40] joe ++ [17:40] michel_v you're right about that. wanting control [17:40] the real issue here is power - who has it and who doesn't - when it is truly in the hands of the people with a representative government that represents all interests rather than the interests of the systems that give them power, that is what I would consider a good government under any name [17:40] it is interesting, that the social discussions are the most interesting ones here, instead of just talk about tools and blogs, that is good. [17:40] * Dries_ has left #lesblogs ("Leaving") [17:40] we need thought leaders, but we have to break with our current paradigms of leadership. [17:40] the point is people, not technology [17:41] yes, this is when this becomes interesting [17:41] chris: good points [17:41] chrisheuer: I don't know if this is possible [17:41] radical *self*-empowerment *by* the individual is the new form of self-government [17:41] but i have heard from tech execs in china of real concerns the chinese govt has about the national security implications of being dependent on microsoft [17:41] chrisheuer: power, but also rights... Such power should be checked by rights [17:41] self-reliance baby [17:41] me and thoreau go waaay back [17:41] 'The people' should not have power to limit the freedom of individuals in certain aspects [17:41] tara i don't see we really need different paradigms. I have seen many so called leaders, but also some with real vision and strategy, who make you want to follow and help them. it is just that there are so few. [17:41] like freedom of speech etc. [17:41] factoryjoe: solipsism, eh? :) [17:41] maartens ++ [17:42] ah...but there is a collective responsibility for one another, too (joe) [17:42] factoryjoe, banning presidents reminds me of this IETF quote from Dave Clark: "We reject kings, presidents, and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code." [17:42] I dont know if this is possible either, but it will never be possible if we allways think the world will be this way - we must understand and deeply believe that change happens in an instant - if this is so, the world does not always need to be the way it is now [17:42] RMacK: I don't think that it is really specific to china. Germany and other european countries have a strong opensource lobby going on to make them switch to opensource [17:42] are there any politicans here at Les Blogs 2.0? [17:42] the U.S constitution tries this with the triangle of power between congress, judiciary and executive branches [17:42] tara getting rid of bad leaders - agreed. [17:42] * Lanfeust21 has quit IRC ("bonsoir à tous :)") [17:42] maartens ++ [17:43] RMacK: well at least I hope it's not specific to china and europe ;) [17:43] michel_v point taken. but somebody raised the china os move and the reasons for it, so.. i know more about what the chinese are doing and why than what the europeans are doing [17:43] * martinvars has joined #lesblogs [17:43] Summary of the panel Reid mentioned: http://blog.softtechvc.com/2005/10/web_20_the_teen.html [17:43] jeff thx. [17:43] It was truly the most interesting session [17:43] ethics schmethics [17:43] eff ethics [17:44] the speed of change is limited by biological restructions soon to be tackeled withnessing the new DARPA tests on soldiers [17:44] decency, yes, ethics are dogmatic and gross [17:44] * snyke75 has quit IRC [17:44] ethics are a value judgement [17:44] ethics: to define that which is right from that which is wrong. [17:44] (meta note: probably the goofing off in backchannel that happened earlier in the conference helped lay the foundations of discourse that are now being really productive) [17:44] cultural evolution is restricted by biological limits [17:44] joe: exactly [17:44] peterkaminski +1 Insightful [17:44] what is right and what is wrong [17:44] peterkaminski: we were establishing trust [17:44] laws are ethics coded into rules.... no? [17:45] when was the last time you were in a backchannel with your representatives? [17:45] Yuri: sociological limits! [17:45] peterkaminski ++ (fuck ya)_) [17:45] was that a should? [17:45] ethics is about worldviews. and all the Internet tools are about creating an intersubjective agreement [17:45] "should we give terrorists blogs?" [17:45] was that the question? [17:45] that the netwerk is the dominant paradigm right now... [17:45] As soon as they start blogging, they aren't terrorists any more but they are becoming participants in a dialogue instead of terrorists [17:45] backchannel + representatives, that would rock :-) [17:45] lol there should be a backchannel for parliament [17:45] I believe they already have them [17:46] that is the worldview emerging, also in CHINA long term [17:46] um [17:46] so yeah, us in the backchannel, we represent ourselves [17:46] i want some al qaeda representatives to blog in english. i hate their methods but I still want to understand their (twisted) thinking [17:46] huh, there you go [17:46] a blog isn't necessarily a dialogue. [17:46] Terrorist: people that want to control socienty through violence instead of dialogue, and the way they want to control it is by limiting freedom of individuals [17:46] it can be. but it isn't always. [17:46] peter i disagree. in fact, i think that backchannel overshadowed the conference in a way that is not bringing us further, but taking us back hard. this is what I get as response from several of the people i talked to. [17:46] backchanneler's = terrorists [17:46] maartens - they are participants in the conversation, but that does not mean they stop spreading terror - it is an important point though [17:46] maartens: you mean like the US in iraq? [17:47] nicolesimon: don't let those effwits influence you...this is where it is at. [17:47] NicoleSimon: please explain [17:47] We have some amazing conversation going on here [17:47] thanks everyone for a great time !!! [17:47] thx, Nicole -- that would be a great topic to pick up some other time [17:47] factoryjoe: I think the US has done better things for many individuals in Iraq than the terrorists have [17:47] * JorisL has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.5/2005111116]") [17:47] see you in April 2006 [17:47] maartens: sorry, i was being too literal [17:47] i'm actually totally confused about iraq, personally [17:47] ooh [17:47] tara i disagree. the people looking form the front into this channel where looking into this channel for the people who are the avantgarde and they left feeling made stupid and they left feeling less respectful. [17:47] You think the relationshiips we have built here are taking us way back? Would you rather us sit and watch crap about monetizing eyeballs and celebrity bloggers? [17:48] C' [17:48] factoryjoe: who isn't? :) [17:48] mon we know this stuff. What we don't know is one another;. [17:48] interesting question ab't americans..... [17:48] I was watching the backchannel because I was taping the conference ;-) [17:48] I'll watch the 'monetizing blah' video later ;-) [17:48] maartens will those files be online for some time? [17:48] Yes [17:48] but just look at the value created in the aggregate... [17:48] 5 miles, not even 20 [17:48] At least a few months [17:48] interesting points tara [17:48] tara i have not listen to the thing from this morning yet, but the channel has improved _today_ by many times. [17:48] i am watching the 'socializing in 2055' now [17:49] Planning on setting up bittorrent for them tomorrow [17:49] yeah, i think we squared the amount of dialogue that happened here [17:49] http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?w=379&h=216&r=2y&y=r&u=linkedin.com/&u=openbc.com [17:49] aren't we all celebrity blogger? [17:49] MikeFight [17:49] I'm an American from SOUTH AMzerica [17:49] and what stopped them joining the channel? [17:49] we stand united [17:49] this channel has been a beautiful thing from day 1 [17:49] the US do not own the word AMERICAN... [17:49] man and I thought I was responsible for the trouble around here... [17:49] * KevinMarks celebrates all bloggers [17:49] moment 1 [17:49] * dglazkov is a personal celebrity [17:49] Good morning, Kevin [17:50] back to terrorists - that is why the hardliners in the US have supposedly taken the stance they have on terrorism - that there is no ability to dialogue with them, that they only want one thing and only see one way of getting it - though violence [17:50] (not in defence of this btw, just as a point of fact) [17:50] the channel is what participants make of it [17:50] Nicole, backchannel has its ups and downs, and like factoryjoe said, it takes banter to develop trust relationships [17:50] be it photoshopping stuff, or discussing intricate topics [17:50] richard florida? [17:50] rise of the creative class [17:50] www.creativeclass.org [17:50] cmu dude [17:50] and some of us havent even been in Paris, and still have been able to Somewhat attend the conversation [17:50] "The world is spikey" [17:50] and the url. [17:51] btw, it's totally up to *us* to decide whether to watch the backchannel or not [17:51] ah thnx [17:51] we have these thoughts anyway [17:51] * wavestorm has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [17:51] it's round, surely? [17:51] might as well put them out there for review [17:51] peterkaminski it did build a lot of relationships - but not in the way you assuming it at the moment. i had at least 3 people telling me that they have less respect for the peoples in here now. tara you can stay with "they don't get it" but that is what _they_ feel. [17:51] dltq: or have been, but have been: 1) both ignored at lizard lounge, 2) not attending Les Blogs [17:51] (boy, banter -> trust relationships, that could take a long time to explain so it makes sense :-) [17:51] or urls, or connections, or context, or communal creativity, or holding the conference that we paid for to account, [17:51] and use the intelligence of the folks around us to improve our own sharpness [17:51] my best friends are just people, whatever their nationality [17:51] NicoleSimon: out of curiosity, who are these people? [17:51] big up asia [17:51] seriously [17:51] richard florida on IT conversations: http://www.itconversations.com/shows/detail232.html [17:51] * neilmcintosh has joined #lesblogs [17:51] NicoleSimon: I want to see them blog the reasons for that drop in respect [17:51] michel_v people coming to this confernece to learn about this new mediea and way to use them. [17:52] if you lose respect for people's work because they crack stupid jokes [17:52] that is your problem, in my opinion [17:52] http://www.creativeclass.org/acrobat/TheWorldIsSpiky.pdf [17:52] Nicole, I don't assume much about the way relationships got built [17:52] who exactly is at the conference? [17:52] pro bloggers? [17:52] wait, so, for example, NicoleSimon, people might have lost respect for some of us (in the channel) for being snarky? [17:52] good question [17:52] unknown x-list bloggers? [17:52] or lost respect for the presenters? [17:52] I'm not actully sure who is here [17:52] but i've also seen the pattern a lot in this and other media [17:52] there appear to be three or four packs [17:52] no pros, all amateurd [17:52] I'm here (in Paris) [17:52] ..amateurs [17:53] indeed [17:53] viva les amateurs! [17:53] Groupies? [17:53] * pforret41 has joined #lesblogs [17:53] dltq telling the audience that they are stupid on a conference which _is_ business related is not just cracking stupid jokes - and yes I want that backchannel too. but not on a screen again. it does not a disruption which added value. my take on it. [17:53] if they realise we're human, good [17:53] Silicon Valley is great because the underlying society is stable and allows total freedom to explore.... [17:53] oh i agree nicolesimon [17:53] who said the audience was stupid? [17:53] but there are all these levels [17:53] saying someone does not get it is not as valuable as trying to build understanding with that person, but it is much easier to just point and laugh then it is to build a trust bridge to that person and impart meaning - this is kind of what I was talking about before regarding senses - just because someone has a different POV then you does not mean they have no value [17:53] dltq: you don't want it onscreen? [17:54] factoryjoe no. not about for being just snarky. but for example being snarky as in bitching times three but going out then and smile at the same kind of people. [17:54] 1) pioneering bloggers, 2) people representing companies in the bloggosphere, 3) "internal communication" consultants learning something new to peddle, 4) VC's, investors, business orientated folk [17:54] i've seen backchannel not projected, and that *does* get too snarky -- it becomes a separate conference [17:54] * nikolajn has joined #lesblogs [17:54] nikolajn is in Denmark, Copenhagen and currently attending Supernova [17:54] I've had several people tell me they have really enjoyed reading the back channel onscreen [17:54] i think it's great onscreen.... parallel processing the backchannel and the panel is excellent [17:54] I think it was a mistake, to be honest [17:54] nikolajn oh you already back in dk? [17:54] NicoleSimon: so... being two-faced? [17:54] Salim++ [17:54] If I was a speaker, I wouldn't have wanted it projected. [17:55] dotben: seriously? [17:55] NicoleSimon++, for saying it the way she sees it [17:55] Mena++, too [17:55] totally [17:55] chrisheuer++ [17:55] NicoleSimon: indeed. unfortuantly had to leave already this morning (a 7 am flight out) [17:55] tara yes [17:55] factoryjoe about being not truthful, about being not honest - but demanding it from others in massive amounts. [17:55] but as a non-speaker you took ad avantage of it ? [17:55] we're all typing while we listen.... no reason not to add one more element... [17:55] nikolajn i'll mail you, i need you ;) [17:55] NicoleSimon: that's bs no matter what [17:55] read about the impact of the backchannel at the AO Summitt - works for multi-taskers, but not for linear thinkers who get distracted from their linear thoughts [17:55] its hard [17:55] mm [17:55] CH: ++ great point [17:55] chrisheuer++ [17:55] yeah [17:56] it's competition for the eyeballs [17:56] that's what me and peterkaminski were discussing yesterday [17:56] i dunno [17:56] chrisheuer: linear thinkers can choose to pay attention only to the presentation at hand, or am I being too naive? :) [17:56] speakers (I did) know about the backchannel. [17:56] are linear thinkers allowed?? haven't the French banned that? [17:56] hard to compete with 67 witty jokes /sec [17:56] for me this is like listening to NPR and talking to friends about it [17:56] the first AO summit we used the backchannel to debunk a speaker who was bulshitting [17:56] the thing at the moment is working because it is not very sharp an much more unnoticable. [17:56] there are different kinds of people, and some people it makes happy, and some get overwhelmed [17:56] i mean, i got like 3.5 hours of sleep last night [17:56] no the french inventend them [17:56] and i haven't napped all day [17:56] somebody logged the two days of backchannel? [17:56] peterkaminski everybody here has a laptop or reads over another ones shoulder - great! [17:56] The best description I've ever heard of the French: [17:56] i can't say that for my backchannel-less college courses that followed a similar format [17:57] the future is here, its just not widely distributed [17:57] for a lot of people - we have enough trouble processing the thoughts in our own head, let alone that of the person we are listening to - add in the 67 other people at the same time and./.... [17:57] "It works in practice... but will it work in theory?" [17:57] different strokes for different folks [17:57] yep [17:57] Nicole, but projecting it makes it "official", and reminds people to stay with everybody else [17:57] backchannel is graffitti [17:57] hmm [17:57] it needs to be on the side screeen [17:57] but it also is like "showing our faces" [17:57] It's added many valuable layers and stories to the presenatations [17:58] photo-op [17:58] might be interesting to have the people who are multitaskers on one side of the room with the backchannel and others on the opposite side fo the room where they can not see it [17:58] flickrtime....go! [17:58] yay loic [17:58] but that would defeat the point of inclusiveness [17:58] bravo. [17:58] and the team. ta [17:58] including the backchannel [17:58] oh yes [17:58] oh shit... [17:58] Can we get the red badges ??? [17:58] thanks loic! we all learned a lot, i think [17:58] oh shit [17:58] * neilmcintosh has quit IRC [17:59] I loved that last commetn [17:59] vive les blogs [17:59] Next week :-) [17:59] Thanks Loic! Les Blogs rocked! [17:59] Can we get an update on [17:59] * paolovalde has quit IRC [17:59] * bandwidth per day [17:59] * total storage used [17:59] * crosswick___ has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919]") [17:59] * yuri has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919]") [17:59] * antoin has left #lesblogs [17:59] oops again [17:59] * jalonso has quit IRC ("Computer goes to sleep!") [17:59] * YmeBosma has quit IRC [17:59] who's publishing the log? where? [17:59] Loic++++++++++++++++++ [17:59] * pforret41 has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [17:59] * jyri has quit IRC [17:59] * JeffClavier has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]") [17:59] * treb has left #lesblogs [17:59] i will publish my parts of the log at dltq.org [17:59] * TonWes has quit IRC ("of to holland") [17:59] but i miss parts [17:59] all sessions up on vpod.tv in multiformat early next week. take care ! [17:59] party over :( [17:59] how about some FOOD now [17:59] * m-c has quit IRC [17:59] * Salim has quit IRC ("leafChat IRC client: http://www.leafdigital.com/Software/leafChat/") [17:59] * NicoleSimon has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [17:59] bye! [17:59] food++ [17:59] bye all [18:00] congratulations to Loic and all for a great conference done! [18:00] let's keep the discussions going! [18:00] * cyf has quit IRC [18:00] bye all thanks see you on the internet [18:00] * surfnode has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]") [18:00] * cfd has left #lesblogs [18:00] I doubt I'll get allowed to come another SixApart event again - so so long! [18:00] :)( [18:00] ;) [18:00] youll have your own session and we backchannel you [18:00] * peterkaminski has left #lesblogs [18:01] Ben, you can join Crow in the sin bin [18:01] congrats loic :) [18:01] see you back in the states soon - anyone up for Lake Tahoe this weekend? not great snow yet, but we will have a great party on SAT night if anyone goes up? [18:01] time to shred [18:01] * mcabiling has quit IRC (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!") [18:02] if some people can speak french [18:02] and are still there tomorrow evening [18:02] * adecarvalho has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [18:02] check out paris-carnet.org, monthly parisian bloggers gathering [18:02] * problog has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [18:02] * JaanusSkype has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [18:03] * sztahanov has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [18:03] * dotBen has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [18:03] (and then there's another paris blog conf on the 13th or 14th) [18:03] * factoryjoe has quit IRC [18:04] hep, michel_v [18:05] * chrisheuer has quit IRC [18:05] znarf: hey hye [18:05] * pforret has quit IRC (No route to host) [18:05] * tara has left #lesblogs [18:05] and even if you don't speak french that well ... there are english-speaking bloggers at paris-carnet. [18:05] tu viens ce soir ? 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