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<cfd> CEO blogging is often not the CEO...
<dotBen> quite
<michel_v> is often not blogging either
<_neezee> hei raymond :)
<cfd> ;)
<tara_> open bottoms
<factoryjoe> blogging the CEO's bottom?
<factoryjoe> "getting to the bottom of things"
<KevinMarks> that was tara's photo stream
<photomatt_paris> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/rosettarelease
<Suw> CEO blogging is usually hellish dull
<JChirac> Hello Nicole S.
<Crosswick> don't you just love the word 'bottom'
<dltq> hei _neezee :) | hi all
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<tara_> bottom bottom bottom bottom
<dotBen> close up
<dotBen> somebody hand that guy a zoon lense
<factoryjoe> "spank me", i hear
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<factoryjoe> zoon?
<tara_> ceo spanking blogs?
<dotBen> yeah, they're new
<factoryjoe> like zoom, but in ens
<dotBen> check the blogosphere
<patfm> oh, rosetta looks cool
<factoryjoe> instead of ems
<factoryjoe> rosetta is cool
<antoin> self-advertising: http://www.eire.com/2005/12/05/what-will-it-take-to-get-companies-really-blogging/#more-223
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<dotBen> how can you have authority in conversation?
<antoin> talk louder.
<Crosswick> authority without hierarchy
<tara_> REALLY USE BIG TYPE
<tara_> AAAAAAAAAAA
<antoin> authority isn't authoritarian
<znarf> http://barcamp.org/index.cgi?MicroBarCampParis
<smudie> patfm: i want to give you some offline feedback on blogamundo, but i can't find the contact details on the site!
<KevinMarks> don't make me paste the douglas adams quote again
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<patfm> smudie: eek!
<znarf> please complete, if you have any questions i'm here :)
<patfm> smudie: /me will fix that immediately. can i pm you?
<tara_> paste it, I dare you
<factoryjoe> znarf: thx
<tara_> video projectors....ooooooo
<Crosswick> Holland! Yeah
<smudie> patfm: my details are at smudie.com
<dltq> is there live video or audio or Something?
<tara_> talk in a human voice
<KevinMarks> "Because the Internet is so new we still don¹t really understand what it is. We mistake it for a type of publishing or broadcasting, because that¹s what we¹re used to. So people complain that there¹s a lot of rubbish online, or that it¹s dominated by Americans, or that you can¹t necessarily trust what you read on the web. Imagine trying to apply any of those criticisms to what you hear on the telephone. Of course you can¹t Œtru
<KevinMarks> st¹ what people tell you on the web anymore than you can Œtrust¹ what people tell you on megaphones, postcards or in restaurants. Working out the social politics of who you can trust and why is, quite literally, what a very large part of our brain has evolved to do."
<schenkm> #
<schenkm> #
<dltq> God bless his soul
<schenkm> dltq: http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/
<KevinMarks> "For some batty reason we turn off this natural scepticism when we see things in any medium which require a lot of work or resources to work in, or in which we can¹t easily answer back ­ like newspapers, television or granite. Hence Œcarved in stone.¹ What should concern us is not that we can¹t take what we read on the internet on trust ­ of course you can¹t, it¹s just people talking ­ but that we ever got into the dangerous ha
<KevinMarks> bit of believing what we read in the newspapers or saw on the TV ­ a mistake that no one who has met an actual journalist would ever make. One of the most important things you learn from the internet is that there is no Œthem¹ out there. It¹s just an awful lot of Œus¹."
<schenkm> Not live, but semi-live :-)
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<factoryjoe> it's kind of like this IRC channel is another panelist
<factoryjoe> neat
<jemstone> kevin thanks,  url ?
<dltq> thank you schenkm :)
<antoin> well, spending money does give you authority you know.
<tara_> The supr.c.ilo.us panelist
<peterkaminski> schenkm's cam: http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterkaminski/70427757/
<KevinMarks> http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/19990901-00-a.html
<Crosswick> 'an awful lot of us' - I like it
<rvr> KevinMarks: I see your face in Dave's screen ;)
<dotBen> sup.erf.olo.us?
<Suw> km: you being tellytubbied in by Dave?
<factoryjoe> supr.c.ilo.us?
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<tara_> rid.icu.lo.us
<KevinMarks> no
<Suw> supr.fluo.us
<KevinMarks> maybe he's reading my blog
<tara_> Did he just say that people want to do all sorts of things to eachother?
<mcabiling> fri.vo.lo.us
<factoryjoe> hey, i'll download you later
<dotBen> From blog on screen: I have a stiff neck and a headache "bloody french food"
<Crosswick> maybe the video guys could try to focus the beamers a bit more
<dotBen> lol
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<factoryjoe> Crosswick++
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<JChirac> Vive la France !
<pforret> any italians in the house?
<factoryjoe> viva le fun!
<factoryjoe> original or american-italian?
<NicoleSimon> hrmpf
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<jibot> dsifry is Dave Sifry and his blog is at http://www.sifry.com/alerts and also in proximity to Technorati and is an IRCtease
<rvr> pforret: Paolo
<rvr> Hi Dave
<dsifry> howdy
<NicoleSimon> got kicked out that is not nice
<rvr> I'm behind you
<factoryjoe> dsifry: define IRCtease
<ludoo> I am Italian, though not at LesBlogs this year
<Suw> hey dave :)
<NicoleSimon> teasing is always good :)
<dsifry> factoryjoe: I have no idea, Isomeone added that in for me
<JChirac> Who kicked Nicole? huh
<factoryjoe> ah ha
<KevinMarks> what was that about CEO blogging?
<dsifry> JeannieCool I think
<factoryjoe> it was berlisconi
<dotBen> lol
<tara_> ROI?
<tara_> Hmmmmmm
<factoryjoe> roi = king
<schenkm> Costs?
<tara_> Yada yada yada
<schenkm> Blogs are dirt cheap...
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<Suw> la morte du ROI
<tara_> This should be good
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<factoryjoe> 30m euro is *ginormous*
<dsifry> these flickr slideshows are cool
<Suw> oh god no, not 'message' please
<Suw> it's not about messaging
<dltq> true, Nicole. hey btw :)
<factoryjoe> damn, what a good idea
<factoryjoe> i'll get right on that
<tara_> Measure it measure it!
<dotBen> poor Adriana, she can't poin in edgewise here
<KevinMarks> don't make her draw her gun
<factoryjoe> dotBen: someone get her a gun
<dotBen> yeah
<tara_> Yeah, 'cause she's actually smart enough to keep out of this ridiculous conversation
<dotBen> lol
<Suw> the business benefits of blogging are not necessarily stuff that is traditionally 'measured' anyway, so ROI starts to be a bit of a red herring imho
<factoryjoe> tara_++
<tara_> tapping
<factoryjoe> they need the handbot
<mcabiling> http://maps.fon.com/near/-3.68333/40.4/6
<schenkm> Suw: right
<NicoleSimon> well, we probably have to have different conversations on this. "company" can be very many things.
<dotBen> maybe she was going so say "this is redic.ulo.us"
<mcabiling> 20 AP's in Madrid :(
<dotBen> here we go
<dotBen> yay
<schenkm> Like trying to measure the ROI of networking...
<jemstone> "customers customers customers", what about citizens, what about changing the bloomin world ?
<dotBen> HOORAY
<Crosswick> second that
<NicoleSimon> schenkm you can, in a way. but you need newer kinds of measure ments.
<dotBen> grrr
<tara_> hugh plug
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<dsifry> yep, it is about citizens
<NicoleSimon> ben +lol*
<antoin> well, there's the risk of what happens if you don't communicate with customers.
<factoryjoe> communicate with customers?! are you CRAZY?
<schenkm> NicoleSimon: yes, but not neccessarily in $
<tara_> seriously, them customers are craaazy
<KevinMarks> I saw a comment today about corporations' firewalls emaning that the company has much less useful IT than home users
<NicoleSimon> if we take a normal company, like a big one, they don't even get internet at the moment - getting them speeded up to blogs is not as easy
<antoin> i mean, banks don't look for return on investment on their security staff.
<schenkm> tara_: i know, I'm one ;-)
<tara_> ohhhh, let's call them 'CONSUMERS'
<factoryjoe> KevinMarks: totally true
<tara_> consume consume consume
<NicoleSimon> schenkm well, my blogs do not pay and take time, as my podcst - the benefit is different.
<dotBen> metrics, baby
<factoryjoe> we are consumivores
<KevinMarks> consummaters
<tara_> you said it
<tara_> consumeration
<schenkm> NicoleSimon: indeed
<tara_> consumatronics
<factoryjoe> consumating.com?
<KevinMarks> consomme
<dotBen> sometimes its just a case of JFDI
<NicoleSimon> experimental -excactly. becaue most of the time you don't have an open conversation in the company in the first place, that will not work at all
<dotBen> just f***ing do it
<loic> anybody streaming video ? Please be nice with the network...
<dotBen> go underground
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<schenkm> I'm not streaming
<schenkm> http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/
<schenkm> Just uploading between sessions
<NicoleSimon> loic: they need to shut of skype as well.
<Suw> some companies 'just fucking do it' and just fucking do it wrong
<dotBen> ms bossy says no!
<loic> please if you could STOP uploading videos and Skyping.... thanks so much
<dsifry> Suw: lol
<JChirac> Obey or i call "La Police" > authority
<NicoleSimon> dotben tried that. if they are still back in the not getting it mode, they don't recognize the blog
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<tara_> who has time to upload video?
<cfd> skype racaille.
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<factoryjoe> schenkm:
<factoryjoe> does
<NicoleSimon> ben like "this is iteresting of you many times a week - they still need a link by mail ...
<dotBen> lol
<dotBen> people, huh?
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<loic> next time we'll have to double the network budget...
<schenkm> I haven't been uploading anything for an hour now...
<tara_> people schmeople
<Suw> the thing is, much of the problem is cultural
<KevinMarks> NicoleSimon is the local IT department?
<Suw> blogging (and wikis) are asking business people to behave in a way which is foreign to them
<rodrigo> probably a 10x - we'ell be streaming live video from all webcams
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<NicoleSimon> loic people often don't understand that just having skype on is consuming much bandwith, thy don't even skype
<dotBen> Nicole: local net PD!
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<antoin> well, what about having a proxy server? that would make things a little faster.
<tara_> why not support your evangelist blogges?
<factoryjoe> loic: i hear there was a pretty penny put in for the network
<NicoleSimon> KevinMarks no normal users
<factoryjoe> combien?
<Carlytoss> is loic signing his book today?
<J_Clavier> 17K EUR
<tara_> crazy
<loic> yeah factoryjoe...
<factoryjoe> ah ha
<schenkm> Ka ching!
<dsifry> Loic, you should add your blog here: http://www.technorati.com/blogs/lesblogs
<J_Clavier> If I recall the answer to the question
<KevinMarks> this is where laying on an official stream helps
<factoryjoe> J_Clavier: you think that's enough for winecamp?
<factoryjoe> crap
<factoryjoe> barcamp cost us $1500
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<factoryjoe> including wifi
<factoryjoe> and we had 300 people
<NicoleSimon> suw and to speak up in the company where this was not used before .. forget it. they are scared.
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<factoryjoe> what gives?
<factoryjoe> effing bittorrentors
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<NicoleSimon> hei jeff
<J_Clavier> Yeah, but we had beer, not great wine :-)_
<rodrigo> $1500 for 300 people., 10x that here...
<factoryjoe> KevinMarks++
<J_Clavier> Hallo Nicole
<rodrigo> didn't French telcos get fined recently ?
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<factoryjoe> hmm
<Suw> depends on how you define 'business people' - i mean 'people in a business' not 'entrepreneurs' (necessarily). but asking people to share information can be really counter to their business culture
<factoryjoe> municipal wifi++
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<J_Clavier> 500M EUR or something of that order
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<dotBen> here we go...
<J_Clavier> Oh oh
<KevinMarks> When I set up a wiki inside Apple for the team, they took to it
<rodrigo> MARC GETS IT
<NicoleSimon> dsifry if would if i would have not forgotten my password for technorati ;)
<factoryjoe> J_Clavier++
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<photomatt_paris> here comes mr canter
<dotBen> ...buy something from Marc
<JChirac> i want a picture with this CANTER
<Suw> it's not just that people get scared about business blogs (internal and external), some don't get scared they just don't understand the point of blogging
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<tara_> hear hear
<KevinMarks> but soon it was a policy meeting to edit pages
<tara_> Go marc go!
<KevinMarks> and 'can you hide our future plans from the otehr divisions?'
<NicoleSimon> suw yes, in many it is. they don't have that kind of culture. if you just start that with wiki and so - they are like sone age people suddenly with lighter.
<dotBen> Marc ain't got much use for shampoo
<rodrigo> HEAT IT UP MARC !
<dotBen> clap
<J_Clavier> Marc rocks
<schenkm> Ouch
<Suw> i'm not saying they don't get scared, nicole.I'm saying many don't get as far as getting scared, because they just don't see the point of even looking into blogging and wikis
<dotBen> BUT...
<rodrigo> ouch
<factoryjoe> in the hot seat!
<J_Clavier> Busted!!!!
<tara_> yikes
<dotBen> ooohhh
<dltq> ?
<dotBen> FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
<NicoleSimon> suw those are even worse :)
<dsifry> Fon is patent pending?
<dsifry> Funny, there is clear prior art
<tara_> one sided conversation
<JChirac> MARC is burning ... oh no again ...
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<factoryjoe> we need googlefight in here
<tara_> factoryjoe ++
<Suw> NicoleSimon: yeah, it's a hard battle if your job is to convince these people to use wikis/blogs!
<dsifry> Sounds like Fon is doing what Sputnik was doing back in 2002
<NicoleSimon> well, then hire a blogger to help you out with that
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<dotBen> dosn't that just fly in the face of what has just been advocated?
<dotBen> "I'm too busy running my company"
<tara_> defensiveness? Much?
<Salim> corporations are losing control of their marketing message... this is inherently very frightening and it's not surprising they're reticent
<factoryjoe> um
<loic> what's the blog of the person who asked the question ?
<factoryjoe> dsifry: can you speak to this?
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<dsifry> factoryjoe: how can I help?
<loic> who asked the question ?
<pforret> I understood "O'reilly"
<NicoleSimon> suw i decided to stop trying to convince them and go for people who are at least half willing to think about it.
<dotBen> someone from O'Reilly
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<cfd> is Fon like WifiDog: http://www.ilesansfil.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wifidog
<factoryjoe> dsifry: do tell us, is it hard to blog and run a company?
<factoryjoe> or, is it one or another?
<cfd> (but commercial?)
<Suw> well, this is a good plan - go for the enthusiasts first
<dsifry> Man I have to tell you it is VERY HARD
<NicoleSimon> loic that is nikolaj?
<dsifry> I feel for the guy
<tara_> it's my blog and I'll do whatever the f*ck I want
<factoryjoe> "it's my blog and i'll cry if i want to"
<schenkm> factoryjoe: I think Loic also has something to say about that ;-)
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<Suw> hell, it's hard to blog and be a blog consultant
<loic> can we have the full name of the person who asked ?
<dotBen> YEAH
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<tara_> Screw off, eh?
<NicoleSimon> dsifry what is heard
<JChirac> =))
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<KevinMarks> you go to work for a blog company, your blog output dips
<dotBen> HERE HERE
<dsifry> It is very hard to be a blogger and also company CEO
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<dsifry> it is all about TIME
<tara_> This is getting good!
<factoryjoe> dsifry: yeah, i think that's true
<factoryjoe> and fair
<factoryjoe> to say
<dotBen> sure we do (other than spam)
<photomatt_paris> KevinMarks: not true :)
<NicoleSimon> dsifry okay, but that is  a choice. and if you are a ceo, you know before that you have no time.
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<factoryjoe> hmm
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<KevinMarks> you want me to plot yours matt?
<jalonso> I feel for Martin too!
<dotBen> ouch split
<KevinMarks> uh oh
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<photomatt_paris> KevinMarks: actually that would be interesting
<rvr> KevinMarks: :-/
<NicoleSimon> I would be satisfied a lot to get some information from a ceo - it would not need to be himself
<factoryjoe> KevinMarks, dsifry is talking about his experience ceoing and blogging
<NicoleSimon> ewan :o))
<rvr> KevinMarks: Maybe too much people from the same IP
<Ewan_> Nicole!
<KevinMarks> yes
<KevinMarks> we need to find a freenode op
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<factoryjoe> yeah
<Carlytoss> technowho ??
<Suw> Dave is so right - when you're underemployed you can blog all you like. But when you have a heap of work on, then you end up having to sacrifice something, and often the blog is what goes
<dotBen> (META: freenode has just banned a lot of users on here, which explains the mass dump of users)
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<factoryjoe> yeah
<factoryjoe> um
<Suw> technorati
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<J_Clavier> Depends on Technorati performance :-)
<J_Clavier> Oooh, that was cheap
<NicoleSimon> suw but that is planable.
<photomatt_paris> KevinMarks: my blogging has become more dispersed though, there are more blogs
<NicoleSimon> suw it is managable.
<Suw> NicoleSimon: not always, no
<rvr> Hmm.. I'm sshing to my server, that's why I'm already alive :-/
<Suw> god knows my blogging has suffered lately because I've just been too busy
<antoin> well that's good.
<dltq> i hardly really videoblog these days. ran out of talking head topics, and the snow in oslo aint that interesting
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<jibot> nikolajn is in Denmark, Copenhagen and currently attending Supernova
<perfectpath> i wish my life were so planable and manageable ;-)
<Suw> i barely have time to get done the things that are *urgent* let alone things that aren't.
<antoin> i hate hearing about how busy airports are on blogs.
<perfectpath> spend more time on the important
<perfectpath> like food, boys and coffee
<Suw> perfectpath: yeah. like taking the odd weekend off
<NicoleSimon> suw well it is. if you know you are a ceo it is dillusionable to thing you will have all the time. so you will just start of with already telling people that for example there will be other people. but if you have a ceo blog, you have made a commitment. I do see the point that people do not see the possible time impacts, but that is another point
<Suw> i think you're being overly harsh,  NicoleSimon.
<dotBen> magic middle is defined as < 1000 links hmmm
<Suw> CEOs are humans, just like the rest of us, and there is an ebb and flow to workloads and time and desire to blog
<perfectpath> suw: omigod, there are human ceo's?
<nikolajn> but deleting posts because you don't like the comments seems odd
<Suw> and i think it's very easy to say 'CEOs should behave in this manner' and say what you want them to do, but each to their own.
<patfm> in my experience the flow/ebb ratio is drastic
<Suw> nikolajn: i'm not really discussing deletion of posts, because that's generally a bad move
<Suw> patfm: yeah, for sure
<patfm> when i start blogging i tend to post... um... a lot in a row.
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<dotBen> adriana++
<NicoleSimon> suw i disagree . not on being human. but anyone getting ceos into blogging also has to tell thim, what this means and why there might be downsides. and it can be as well to start from the beginning in saying "this is a blog but you will only get something every month." which is okay with me, but if you start daily and then go over to stip it, that is bad (bad as in disappointing).
<NicoleSimon> suw exactly because they are human.
<dotBen> common sense, with a gun
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<pforret> there's the Skyper dude!
<Suw> it's easy to say how you think things should go, but my sympathies are with people who start blogging and then get overwhelmed. You can dictate all you like what people 'should' do, but life is never that simple.
<factoryjoe> NicoleSimon: that sounds more like managing expectations
<NicoleSimon> suw on this we agree totally.
<Suw> you have to manage expectations not by setting posting frequences (for example) in stone, but by being 
<Suw> you have to manage expectations not by setting posting frequences (for example) in stone, but by being honest with your readeres
<Salim> Nicole: totally agree... there are legal issues, confidentiality issues, all sorts of stuff that make it very hard for CEOs to blog..  a LOT of  tiptoeing through broken glass
<Suw> if you are not able to blog so much for a while, say so
<NicoleSimon> factoryjoe well, if you are in that position then this is part of your business
<NicoleSimon> suw ack.
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<Suw> but I don't think that's grounds to criticise a CEO blogger
<NicoleSimon> suw but you should say so. explain why. not massivly, but in a way.
<Suw> i think it's grounds to encourage other people within the company to blog
<factoryjoe> where's rvr?
<dotBen> most A listers are geeks anyway
<Suw> frquently the CEO is not necessarily the right person to take on the company blog
<dotBen> and who reads geek blogs, eh?
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<Salim> Suw:  Agree!!   usually best to let others do it...
<NicoleSimon> it is better for a ceo to support this openly and make it clear to his employees that he / she wants that, and of much more effect in my eye than just a ceo bloggin.
<Suw> but I generally get called into companies *after* they have started their blogs, as they are figuring out why it's going wrong
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<dotBen> this guy is really chilled
<cfd> s
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<Suw> and that's going to be a persistent pattern in my opinion. because blogs are easy to set up, but hard to maintain.
<photomatt_paris> whoever started the blogs = SEO thing needs to be shot
<NicoleSimon> suw but does it always have to be that way? after the thing has gone down? ;)
<Carlytoss> any answer, anyone?
<KevinMarks> well, easier to maintain than staic sites
<KevinMarks> but they do need effort
<J_Clavier> Suw> Would they listen to you in the first place before they have made the mistakes on their own ?
<Suw> NicoleSimon: I wish it wasn't. I wish they would hire me before they fuck up.
<jalonso> positioning should only be a by product, if you are only aiming for that you are doomed
<Suw> but they don't. they seem to need to fuck up first, then call me in
<dotBen> blogs are worth having cos they are k00l.  "we now have a blog" is the 21st century equivlent of "we have a website" in the early 90s
<KevinMarks> says the #1 Matt on google
<Suw> J_Clavier: I suspect not. ;-)
<antoin> is it usually because of a 'rogue blogger' suw?
<rvr> factoryjoe: I'm here
<Suw> dotBen: there is a lot of that going on, yes
<Suw> antoin: no, it's not
<antoin> or full scale management-by-accountants screw-ups?
<Suw> in fact, i have never been called in to deal with a rogue blogger
<J_Clavier> That's what I thought. Same applies to many consulting practices
<photomatt_paris> the "long tail" of splogs is small businesses conned into thinking they can get more visitors by starting a blog with a link to their site in every post
<factoryjoe> rvr: we're getting some weird bannings b/c of an mIRC version warning
<Ewan_> No you'd call Harrison Ford for a rouge blogger
<Suw> usually it's just that things aren'tn really working so well. not necessarily a full scale fuck-up
<perfectpath> am i the first CEO to show his arse on his blog?
<factoryjoe> a rouge blogger?
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<factoryjoe> perfectpath: probably intentionally
<rvr> factoryjoe: Les Blogs public IP was K-Lined
<KevinMarks> is that tara?
<patfm> cosmetics industry :)
<Suw> perfectpath: that's not something not be proud of. ;-)
<jstuker> do the announcement on your blog....
<perfectpath> oh no it was accidental, it really was
<dotBen> <yawn>
<dotBen> skype buttons - wooo
<Salim> perfectpath: right on!  what an accident...
<dotBen> (not)
<antoin> rvr be sure to say hello, i am easy to spot in one of these orange tshirts.
<photomatt_paris> didn't ICQ do that like 10 years ago?
<dotBen> so does that mean I write a blog post and then people can call me at stupid times of the day to talk to me about it -- oh boy.  leave a message
<rvr> antoin: Fon t-shirts? :)
<perfectpath> yay lunch!
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<factoryjoe> why is it always vertigo?
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<factoryjoe> ugh
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<WaveStorm> hello everybody
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<photomatt_paris> factoryjoe: eating lunch here?
<KevinMarks> this being france no doubt you ahve a 2 hour lunchbreak
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<factoryjoe> photomatt_paris: what
<factoryjoe> re you plans?
<factoryjoe> KevinMarks: hopefully
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<factoryjoe> nap time!
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>New! Now WITH timestamp!

Session Start: Mon Dec 05 12:28:17 2005
Session Ident: #lesblogs
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[12:28] * Topic is 'Official backchannel || tag: lesblogs'
[12:28] * Set by rvr on Mon Dec 05 10:34:17
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[12:28] <factoryjoe> ok lunch time
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[12:51] <dltq> Hej Andreas
[12:52] <AndreasHaugstrup> hej raymond
[12:52] <AndreasHaugstrup> er du i paris?
[12:52] <dltq> nee
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[12:52] <dltq> they are having lunch now
[12:52] <AndreasHaugstrup> ah
[12:53] <AndreasHaugstrup> I've been following a couple of livebloggers this morning
[12:54] <AndreasHaugstrup> makes me wonder if they have time to actually follow the conference :)
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[12:55] <dltq> heh yeah. i don't see a lot of video around yet. this being an exception?: http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/
[12:55] <AndreasHaugstrup> 220 megabytes, ouch
[12:56] <dltq> oh, yeah, you got capped dl right?
[12:56] <AndreasHaugstrup> edit, compress. Rinse and repeat :)
[12:56] <AndreasHaugstrup> I upgraded so I have 10GB/month now. Still not enough
[12:56] <AndreasHaugstrup> Hammersley found my highlight reel. Apparently he'll be doing the same talk in Paris: http://www.benhammersley.com/weblog/2005/12/01/you_know_get_around_a_lot_when.html
[12:58] <dltq> hah didnt see this one yet
[12:59] <AndreasHaugstrup> I'm glad I made it short. It's 60% of my bandwidth right now (I'm on a low-bandwidth host)
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[13:30] <jibot> stevegarfield is Steve Garfield from Boston and blogs on "Off on a Tangent" at http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/
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[13:30] <stevegarfield> Bonjour1
[13:30] <dltq> hey steve!
[13:30] <stevegarfield> Hi Andrewas, Raymond and Kevin
[13:30] <stevegarfield> hey
[13:30] <stevegarfield> raymond - are yout here?
[13:30] <stevegarfield> there
[13:30] <stevegarfield> in paris?
[13:30] <dltq> no, unf not
[13:31] <stevegarfield> it is snowing here in Boston
[13:31] <stevegarfield> i have 3 shirts on
[13:31] <dltq> heh, blizzard yet?
[13:31] <stevegarfield> is this being broadcast to the whole room?
[13:31] <stevegarfield> not yet
[13:31] <stevegarfield> later tonight, more snow
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[13:32] <stevegarfield> b=gabe mac put up some video at http://stevegarfield.blip.tv/file/5918
[13:32] <dltq> they are in the middle of lunch now, sponsored by Fon
[13:32] <stevegarfield> oops
[13:32] <stevegarfield> not ther
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[13:33] <stevegarfield> i guess that video link is correct
[13:33] <stevegarfield> http://stevegarfield.blip.tv/file/5918
[13:33] <AndreasHaugstrup> I want a free lunch
[13:33] <stevegarfield> a panel from this am
[13:33] <AndreasHaugstrup> hi steve :)
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[13:33] <stevegarfield> hi andreas
[13:33] <stevegarfield> we should have one of these goign at all times at vlog
[13:33] <stevegarfield> or
[13:33] <stevegarfield> videoblogging
[13:33] <JaanusSkype> hey folks, is this irc channel archived somewhere online
[13:33] <stevegarfield> i hope not
[13:33] <stevegarfield> ;-)
[13:34] <dltq> hey Jaanus, it is probably stored somewhere, we want to archive all those juicy backstabbing the guy on stage
[13:34] <AndreasHaugstrup> there used to be a vlogging room (started during vloggercon), but it died after a week
[13:34] <stevegarfield> since everyone is at lunch i am going to get breakfast
[13:34] <stevegarfield> right
[13:34] <stevegarfield> i started that one
[13:35] <stevegarfield> that is actually a good name for it
[13:35] <AndreasHaugstrup> you're getting breakfast and I only have 1? hours of daylight left :(
[13:35] <stevegarfield> a virtual vloggercon online at all time
[13:35] <AndreasHaugstrup> yeah, I agree
[13:35] <stevegarfield> ok
[13:35] <AndreasHaugstrup> I don't mind keeping a room open when I'm online
[13:35] <stevegarfield> done
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[13:36] <jibot> franck is in a white tshirt
[13:37] <dltq> nice work, jibot
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[13:39] <stevegarfield> hey raymond - franck doesn't like robots talking to him
[13:39] <stevegarfield> either that or he was scared off since he was wearing a white tshirt
[13:39] <franck> ^_^
[13:39] <dltq> lol
[13:39] <stevegarfield> franck!
[13:40] <dltq> we are definitely archiving
[13:40] <stevegarfield> oh great
[13:40] <dltq> :) so have we settled a date for vloggercon yet?
[13:40] <stevegarfield> michael verdi!
[13:40] <stevegarfield> hello
[13:41] <stevegarfield> jay is trying to secure a space in NYC for hte end of april
[13:41] <stevegarfield> as of this weekend he had not yet
[13:41] <franck> ok... managed to install an irc client over this connection
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[13:41] <dltq> great, we are also thinking about when to have the next vlogeurope here. you coming then steve?
[13:42] <dltq> it wont be in Amsterdam this time, so no need to fear
[13:43] <AndreasHaugstrup> how many people are you aiming for at vloggercon?
[13:43] <AndreasHaugstrup> I want the next one to be in Milan near Deirdre because I like northern Italy :)
[13:43] <stevegarfield> jay is trying to get a room for 300
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[13:45] <AndreasHaugstrup> sounds reasonable. Impressive, but realistic
[13:46] <stevegarfield> who is Adriana http://www.mediainfluencer.net/media_influencer/
[13:47] <AndreasHaugstrup> never heard of her
[13:48] <AndreasHaugstrup> but, hey, she's shooting an AK-47
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[14:02] <jibot> jalonso is Julio Alonso and founder of Weblogs SL, www.weblogssl.com
[14:03] <rvr> re
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[14:06] <JaanusSkype> everyone is so full that there's no backchannel any more :|
[14:06] <mcabiling> burp
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[14:07] <mickaelung> test
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[14:07] <AndreasHaugstrup> you're all full of corporate sponsored filling, huh? :)
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[14:09] <dotBen> full of what?
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[14:10] <jibot> RMacK is sometimes a slightly devil's advocate and quite good at it
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[14:14] <dotBen> BAD INFORMATIONS - GRRR!
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[14:14] <Charles> in english please
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[14:15] <Antho> hiya
[14:16] <Charles> ANINA is leaving
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[14:16] <RMacK> is it this one? http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/
[14:16] <RMacK> or this one? http://influenzah5n1.myblogsite.com/blog
[14:17] <rvr> avianflu
[14:17] <marc-o> ERROR:  influenzah5n1.myblogsite.com is temporarily unavailable or does not exist. Please check the address and try again.
[14:19] <rvr> http://avianflu.typepad.com/
[14:19] <jemstone_> BBC
[14:19] <jemstone_> BBC?
[14:19] <Crosswick> "Jiminy may be small, but he's far from your average cricket. He can turn an umbrella into a parachute and looks great in a top hat and spats, and he carries a mean tune, as well as a nearly inexhaustible supply of home-brewed common sense. It's no wonder he is chosen by the Blue Fairy to be Pinocchio's "official" conscience"
[14:21] <RMacK> www.globalvoicesonline.org
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[14:21] <jemstone_> http://www.kenyanpundit.com/
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[14:25] <stevegarfield> Hi Rebecca, snow expected tonight and it is freezing in Boston
[14:25] <jemstone_> MacKinnon: Priorities of US network news:http://www.jamco.or.jp/2004_symposium2/en/03/index.html
[14:25] <Jaanus2> whats wrong with lunch and dinner blogs.. no one likes them :(
[14:26] <mcabiling> http://chocolateandzucchini.com/
[14:26] <mcabiling> yummy
[14:28] <Les> kevin anderson please go to the REGISTER DESK
[14:28] <RMacK> hello steve!!
[14:28] <RMacK> thanks jemstone
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[14:32] <RMacK> wow the bandwith is getting tight
[14:32] <ebow> is loic around?
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[14:33] <problog> yes around
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[14:33] <rvr> Hmm
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[14:34] <Jaanus2> metablogging! blogging about blogging on blogging. yes.
[14:34] <dltq> sometaithurts
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[14:35] <RMacK> jaanus2 if you like food blogs try: http://noodlepie.typepad.com/
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[14:39] <CharlesN> http://www.agoravox.com/article.php3?id_article=4778
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[14:48] <sztahanov>  network sux
[14:48] <Suw> hey
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[14:48] <Suw> network is driving me nuts. taken me an hour to get on.
[14:48] <sztahanov> i lost my posts
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[14:49] <jibot> _neezee is Nicole Simon from usefulsounds.com and crueltobeking.org and as nice as jeannie.
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[14:49] <_neezee> hrmpf.
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[14:49] <michel_v> ?def CharlesN
[14:49] <jibot> Nobody has defined CharlesN yet
[14:50] <CharlesN> Charles Nouyrit
[14:50] <rvr> Remember the fake soldier photo that was actually a toy
[14:50] <Lanfeust21> Gilles Klein has an opinion about AgoraVox who's a different point of view to define agoravox
[14:50] <Lanfeust21> http://gklein.blog.lemonde.fr/gklein/2005/08/journalistes_et.html
[14:50] <Lanfeust21> it's in french
[14:50] <michel_v> oh, ok. I was thinking of another Charles :)
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[14:51] <Lanfeust21> En fait, c'est ce n'est pas du tout un bon exemple. C'est même pour l'instant, le contraire. Agoravox utilise souvent le contenu d'autres sites réalisés par des journalistes professionnels (plus les textes parus sur d'autres blogs..) sans rétribuer leurs auteurs, à ma connaissance, il s'agit, en effet de journalisme "gratuit"
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[14:51] <factoryjoe> finally
[14:51] <peterkaminski> for sure
[14:51] <factoryjoe> sup wit da wifi?
[14:51] <michel_v> yeah, but isn't gilles klein considered an ass, generally, by french bloggers?
[14:51] <loiclemeur> anybody from vpod tv on the chat ? can you project my mac pls
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[14:52] <peterkaminski> maybe probs with the AP software, maybe too many APs interfering with each other
[14:52] <_neezee> was the wifi down or why was everybody out? :)
[14:52] <peterkaminski> yeah, couldn't get on
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[14:53] <loiclemeur> we managed to get the entire paris chamber of commerce network down
[14:53] <jemstone> the principle of bivalence: i've learnt something today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_bivalence
[14:53] <loiclemeur> seems to be back
[14:53] <michel_v> loic: congrats :P
[14:53] <loiclemeur> hehe
[14:53] <factoryjoe> nice
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[14:53] <michel_v> (your first step in disrupting the capitalist pigs' gig! hah)
[14:53] <michel_v> ;)
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[14:54] <Les> we have some connectivity back up
[14:54] <loiclemeur> jy va bosser stp
[14:54] <jy_> qui me parle ?
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[14:54] <loiclemeur> loic
[14:54] <loiclemeur> jy tu peux leur dire
[14:54] <Ed_Daniel> salut mes gars, j'espere tout va bien a Paris
[14:55] <loiclemeur> de projeter mon mac à l'ecran stp
[14:55] <jy_> connais pas
[14:55] <loiclemeur> c'est quel JY ?
[14:55] <jy_> mm Bloic?!
[14:55] <loiclemeur> :-)
[14:55] <loiclemeur> hehe
[14:55] <jy_> le beau
[14:55] <jy_> celui qui est tout en muscle là
[14:56] <_neezee> hei. english please.
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[14:57] <_JY_> yes Bloic please speak English
[14:57] <_JY_> "Photomatt has quit Paris" :-)
[14:57] <_JY_> oops
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[14:57] <znarf> michel_v> you're so rude with Gilles Klein :)
[14:57] <Ed_Daniel> is there a political lobbying session at LesBlogs?
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[14:58] <factoryjoe> i think later on
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[14:58] <factoryjoe> blogging and politics
[14:58] <loiclemeur> please be VERY NICE with the network
[14:58] <Ed_Daniel> cheers joe - we need to get stuff like this covered: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/30/AR2005113002109.html
[14:58] <loiclemeur> we're on the verge of breaking it again
[14:58] <_JY_> on the what?
[14:58] <peterkaminski> niceness++
[14:59] <tara_> what is considered not nice?
[14:59] <loiclemeur> don't download videos and big files please, don't use skype
[14:59] <peterkaminski> heckling is okay, tara :-)
[14:59] <loiclemeur> otherwise we'll break it again
[14:59] <factoryjoe> phew
[14:59] <michel_v> _neezee: oh geeze, if they want to joke around in french for less than a dozen lines...
[14:59] <tara_> ah...good...
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[14:59] <tara_> I thought my heckling broke it before
[14:59] <peterkaminski> :-)
[14:59] <tara_> I swear, I was banned for being snarky
[14:59] <Ed_Daniel> is there an audio feed?
[14:59] <antoin> tom, we'll have a whip-around at dinner.
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[15:00] <peterkaminski> heckling is a high-value-per-byte activity :-)
[15:00] <tara_> Let's lobby the French government re: banning free software...
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[15:00] <Ed_Daniel> I think the French government is very au fait with open source :-)
[15:01] <tara_> We should be playing the drinking game...everytime you hear the word 'blog' or 'citizen journalist', DRINK!
[15:01] <peterkaminski> ObLink from before, re: Popperian falsifiability: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability
[15:01] <Ed_Daniel> France and open source stuff example: http://epnadmin.pierrefitte93.fr/
[15:01] <_neezee> tara, let that to the irish guys - we will be drunk in 5 minuntes ;)
[15:01] <tara_> lol
[15:01] <J_Clavier> tara> If it is wine we drink, we'll put you all under the table
[15:01] <Ed_Daniel> they're using that for an i-Ville project to better manage a town's capital expenditure and resources
[15:01] <factoryjoe> let's bring in the canadian mounties
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[15:02] <jemstone> she means american journalism
[15:02] <tara_> LOL...I'm Canadian, remember, I'll be standing...
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[15:02] <tara_> ;)
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[15:02] <tara_> What's with pretty boy?
[15:02] <m-c> tara you'r canadian?
[15:02] <tara_> yep
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[15:02] <m-c> from where?
[15:02] <antoin> should people have to pay to receive quality, dependable journalism written by non-tourists?
[15:02] <_JY_> Canada :-)
[15:02] <m-c> please say hi later if you can find me
[15:02] <tara_> Toronto most recently, raised in small town Alberta
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[15:03] <CharlesN> who got's anina picts ;)
[15:03] <JCHIRAC> me
[15:03] <tara_> again: what's with pretty boy?
[15:03] <factoryjoe> i'm canadian by proximity
[15:03] <factoryjoe> pretty boy?
[15:03] <JCHIRAC> posted on Flickr
[15:03] <tara_> whatshisface speaking
[15:03] <CharlesN> who's prettyboy
[15:03] <J_Clavier> pretty boy++
[15:04] <CharlesN> JCHIRAC >> URL plse
[15:04] <factoryjoe> pretty boys: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41089000/jpg/_41089622_saddam_afp_203body.jpg
[15:04] <tara_> the guy who hires celebrities to take our readership
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[15:05] <Crosswick> iPods should be able to function as field recorders soon
[15:05] <Crosswick> they already have an AD converter
[15:05] <tara_> See...access...power....etc. - doesn't sound to blogosphere to me
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[15:06] <cyf> blogs *are* about power
[15:06] <Suw> grrrrrrrrr
[15:06] <m-c> will there be as many podcasters as there are bloggers
[15:06] <chryss> hi
[15:06] <dltq> no
[15:06] <factoryjoe> Crosswick: iTrip?
[15:06] <Suw> this auditorium is too full
[15:06] <Crosswick> power can be bidirectional
[15:06] <wavestorm> hey :) just to keep you informed one of our two broadband lines failed (the Open-2 network) we reconfigured the Open-1 so that it should handle everything all by itself
[15:06] <Ed_Daniel> why be bound by 'design' Crosswick - they're 300 mp3 player manufacturers in China - love affairs iwth brands huh!?
[15:06] <_neezee> m-c i think there may be more one day ;)
[15:06] <factoryjoe> wavestorm++
[15:06] <CharlesN> www.ipodnanoblog.fr
[15:06] <factoryjoe> 17k euro gets you service
[15:06] <peterkaminski> thx, wavestorm :-)
[15:07] <factoryjoe> next time let's do 34k
[15:07] <wavestorm> ;)
[15:07] <m-c> will all bloggers get into podcasting
[15:07] <tara_> reowr
[15:07] <Crosswick> the iTrip broadcasts thru FM, you can't use it to record
[15:07] <factoryjoe> we'll have to do 68k if we all get into podcasting
[15:07] <Lanfeust21> an Olympus recorder (ws-200) is a cheap tool $120
[15:07] <_neezee> m-c no. different kinds of people
[15:07] <antoin> only the ones who love the sound of their own voices.
[15:07] <CharlesN> how do you want journalist to survive if they can't speak english...
[15:07] <factoryjoe> Crosswick: maybe not iTrip
[15:07] <factoryjoe> the other one
[15:07] <factoryjoe> some griffin thinger
[15:07] <Crosswick> hehe ok
[15:07] <jemstone> speech radio is difficult
[15:07] <_neezee> antoin that is a very simple view.
[15:07] <m-c> antoin -- LOL
[15:08] <factoryjoe> eff blogs
[15:08] <tara_> Bummer that you can't 'browse' a podcast
[15:08] <factoryjoe> long live IRC
[15:08] <Crosswick> I think Adam Curry already talked to Steve Job about this
[15:08] <tara_> totally
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[15:08] <adecarvalho> CharlesN++
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[15:08] <JCHIRAC> even tho you got tools it is not easy to podCast so far
[15:08] <factoryjoe> i want adam curry's hair
[15:08] <_neezee> tara you can, but it is still complicated to produce
[15:08] <CharlesN> yes u can browse a podcast
[15:08] <m-c> podcast will be 'browsable' one day
[15:08] <tara_> naw...you still have to download the bugger
[15:08] <Ed_Daniel> >tart  -  i guess we're all waiting for Google and other labs to crack the audio indexing conumdrum such as automating transcripts which can then be indexed
[15:08] <tara_> it's not the same
[15:09] <Ed_Daniel> won't be long before it comes, lots of israeli / defence technology already there
[15:09] <factoryjoe> SMIL helps browse podcasts
[15:09] <m-c> right now there's only chapters
[15:09] <Crosswick> let's make a podcast toolchain wiki
[15:09] <antoin> you could get stuff transcribed offshore, not that expensive.
[15:09] <factoryjoe> of course SMIL -> microformat for quicktime will be nice
[15:09] <pforret> podzinger and bliki do podcast indexing
[15:09] <Lanfeust21> to see where we're going ... just a quick look on the past year
[15:09] <adecarvalho> or you can do text-to-speech ...
[15:09] <Lanfeust21> http://adaptivepath.com/images/publications/essays/What_puts_the_2_in_Web_20.pdf
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[15:09] <tara_> oh...THAT article
[15:10] <m-c> speech to text
[15:10] <cfd> I'm more in Web 3.0...
[15:10] <tara_> LOL
[15:10] <tara_> Hmmmmm
[15:10] <jemstone> tom coates (ex bbc) knocked this up before he left us:http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2005/10/on_the_bbc_annotatable_audio_project.shtml
[15:10] <michel_v> antoin: and then hire proofreaders onshore? :p
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[15:10] <factoryjoe> adam curry's hair: http://www.indierocket.com/adventures/childhood/17eighties.gif
[15:10] <cfd> I'll be there when the web 3.0 meme become a reality, you've read it here first...
[15:10] <CharlesN> http://www.batterytech.com/ to use old accessories on nano and video
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[15:10] <tara_> I'm stuck in 1.0 baby
[15:10] <factoryjoe> tom coates++
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[15:11] <m-c> i want a web 3.0 t-shirt!
[15:11] <Ed_Daniel> nice tip PForret, thanks!
[15:11] <m-c> web 2.0 is sooo 2004
[15:11] <factoryjoe> omg
[15:11] <m-c> :P
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[15:11] <factoryjoe> can we please stop talking in numerics
[15:11] <factoryjoe> i want Web IV
[15:11] <cfd> Let's do the Web 3.0 sticker and the web 3.0 t-shirts.
[15:11] <factoryjoe> ugh
[15:11] <tara_> eff the t-shirts
[15:11] <JCHIRAC> who sponsor them?
[15:11] <dltq> go watch videoblogs at mefeedia.com then :>
[15:11] <m-c> Loic
[15:11] <cfd> 4.0 is way too much in the future...
[15:12] <_JY_> Web 3.11 Workgroup will rock
[15:12] <cfd> :)
[15:12] <cfd> LOL
[15:12] <tara_> .0.0.0.00.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0. BLECH
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[15:12] <factoryjoe> web 95
[15:12] <michel_v> _JY_++
[15:12] <m-c> LOL!!
[15:12] <rvr> _JY_: lol
[15:12] <factoryjoe> hmm
[15:12] <tara_> eff .0
[15:12] <cfd> Web Vista
[15:12] <_JY_> WEB ME will be soo soo
[15:12] <cfd> in 2007
[15:12] <rodrigo> http://www.loiclemeur.com/france/2005/11/face_alain_minc.html
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[15:12] <_JY_> and Web Vista will be.. well.; will be :-)
[15:12] <factoryjoe> "human effort"
[15:12] <Crosswick> technology IS a human efor
[15:12] <Crosswick> effort
[15:13] <factoryjoe> i dunno about that
[15:13] <_JY_> Scoble don't beat me
[15:13] <Lanfeust21> Jeff Clavier : you've said you'll be provocative this afternoon : could you explain how a little bit?
[15:13] <factoryjoe> he's going to get to the "bottom" of things
[15:13] <tara_> C'mon Jeff, provocate this
[15:13] <tara_> bottoms up!
[15:13] <Lanfeust21> really?
[15:13] <factoryjoe> stealth?
[15:13] <J_Clavier> Bit late to ask the question
[15:13] <tara_> Stealth
[15:13] <J_Clavier> See the panel
[15:13] <factoryjoe> stealth bomber?
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[15:14] <tara_> long tail - DRINK
[15:14] <factoryjoe> i dig short tails
[15:14] <rodrigo> stealth company => very web 2.0 right ?
[15:14] <factoryjoe> like rat tails
[15:14] <tara_> um....nope
[15:14] <cfd> 1.9 just under the 2.0
[15:14] <peterkaminski> stealth == web 1.5
[15:14] <J_Clavier> No long tail
[15:14] <tara_> exactly
[15:14] <J_Clavier> No stealth
[15:14] <Lanfeust21> hugh!!!
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[15:14] <cfd> 1.9999999 (long tail version)
[15:14] <J_Clavier> No money
[15:14] <factoryjoe> this is what i think of stealth companies: http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/b2/images/b2_15.jpg
[15:14] <tara_> blogs are different
[15:15] <tara_> opinions rock
[15:15] <FrankM> A video of this morning is online on http://tinyurl.com/8gh2a (nevermind the dutch intro)
[15:15] <J_Clavier> GoogleBomb!
[15:15] <cfd> newsparper are different too.
[15:15] <dltq> tx frankm
[15:15] <tara_> garbage rocks
[15:15] <Lanfeust21> a GoogleBomb on who or whatN
[15:15] <tara_> bring on the garbage
[15:15] <tara_> oh wait....
[15:15] <FrankM> working on the next vid :-)
[15:15] <factoryjoe> field trip!
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[15:16] <tara_> whereabouts are you thinking Joe?
[15:16] <CharlesN> go jeff go
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[15:16] <cfd> could we visit a blog newsroom?
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[15:16] <cfd> (or are we in one?)
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[15:16] <peterkaminski> NPOV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPOV
[15:16] <_JY_> Long tail is very pretentious :-)
[15:17] <factoryjoe> tara_: IHT
[15:17] <cfd> short tail is better.
[15:17] <factoryjoe> http://koinpro.tripod.com/BarsMedalsRounds/StealthBomberBar.jpg
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[15:17] <Suw> npov isn't really all that perfect
[15:17] <Suw> i think it's overrated
[15:17] <mark_hu> hi:)
[15:18] <rvr> Suw: where are you?
[15:18] <CharlesN> Vpod arreter la frime ;)
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[15:20] <dltq> Nicole - I'm listening to your pre-conference podcasts. Great stuff! Good work
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[15:20] <CharlesN> it's second nature to be rude for a french guy ;)
[15:21] <CharlesN> Paris riot are place de la Bastille
[15:21] <CharlesN> it's burning right now
[15:21] <cfd> yep 2.0 is overused
[15:21] <Lanfeust21> who's the good guy in the panel?
[15:21] <Lanfeust21> the good, the bad and the ugly ... and the last one is ????
[15:22] <CharlesN> HA Mac....
[15:22] <JaanusSkype> heyhey.. theyre gonna burn the projector this way or something
[15:22] <CharlesN> never works ;)
[15:22] <factoryjoe> CharlesN: wait, fer real?
[15:22] <pforret> where's Om Malik?
[15:22] <factoryjoe> the bastille is burning
[15:23] <factoryjoe> pforret: he cancelled
[15:23] <CharlesN> yep for real, Bastille is on fire
[15:23] <factoryjoe> um
[15:23] <factoryjoe> isn't that a big deal?
[15:23] <factoryjoe> or does that happen often?
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[15:23] <dltq> omg
[15:23] <CharlesN> nope another 1000 burned cars ;)
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[15:23] <neezee_away> raymond thx - i will have some post conference as well ;)
[15:23] <Lanfeust21> web 2.0 is a great joke
[15:23] <CharlesN> anyway, we cannot drive in Paris
[15:23] <JaanusSkype> bastille was set on fire by the crowds frustrated by all this 2.0 nonsense
[15:24] <Lanfeust21> ppt is burning the projector
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[15:24] <factoryjoe> ppt should be burned
[15:24] <factoryjoe> hey dglazkov
[15:24] <factoryjoe> welcome
[15:24] <CharlesN> Question: How cars are burned per year in UK vs. Fr? 60000 for UK versus 30000 for France last year
[15:24] <fmahon> taadaa
[15:25] <dglazkov> hey! What's all the lesblogging about?
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[15:25] <antoin> gymiani i love that.
[15:25] <dglazkov> hi factoryjoe!
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[15:25] <factoryjoe> you might just hang out, i'm sure i'll spin up some microformats stuff eventually
[15:26] <factoryjoe> for now, jeff clavier is talking about making money
[15:26] <factoryjoe> ;)
[15:26] <NicoleSimon> how is this sudenly an owned name *gr*
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[15:26] <JCHIRAC> hard to get i am sure
[15:26] <nisi> good.
[15:26] <dglazkov> great topic, factoryjoe
[15:26] <chryss> hi nisi. thanks for passing on the hat.
[15:27] <m-c> sleeepy.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/hammersley/70482900/
[15:27] <CharlesN> MAc sucks ;)
[15:27] <Lanfeust21> has Jeff invested in Technorati?
[15:27] <factoryjoe> m-c: i think that's a tshirt for les blogs
[15:28] <JCHIRAC> Technorati tech support on panel
[15:28] <factoryjoe> powerpoint at 640x840--
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[15:31] <cliebert> hello, looks very quiet here ...
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[15:32] <cliebert> too much wine @lunch maybee ...
[15:32] <dglazkov> just waiting for the next clever joke
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[15:33] <dltq> nice
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[15:33] <cliebert> anyway ...
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[15:33] <cliebert> is there any blogger alive @the conference ?
[15:33] <ebow> ok is anina here?
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[15:33] <tariq_netvibes> hi every body
[15:33] <cliebert> anina ... so fashion
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[15:33] <cliebert> hello tariq
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[15:34] <znarf> hey tariq
[15:34] <wavestorm> sligt failure from FT :-(
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[15:34] <flevy> Hello from Brazil!!!
[15:34] <mung> jo
[15:34] <cliebert> FT .. isn't just a failure
[15:34] <flevy> :-)
[15:34] <wavestorm> whatever ;)
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[15:35] <wavestorm> next year we might have wimax :p
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[15:35] <factoryjoe> hmm am i back?
[15:35] <wavestorm> yup :)
[15:35] <tara_> whew
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[15:35] <dglazkov> it's stormy today in IRC
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[15:36] <cliebert> Charles N , are you there ?
[15:36] <Suw> did he just say 'mojo'?
[15:36] <CharlesN> yep
[15:36] <dglazkov> did somebody say microformats?
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[15:37] <cliebert> did somebody says Bubble 3.0
[15:37] <factoryjoe> dglazkov: patience
[15:37] <factoryjoe> it's not our turn yet
[15:37] <antoin> shhh
[15:37] <factoryjoe> ;)
[15:37] <factoryjoe> it's a two day conference
[15:37] <dglazkov> :)
[15:37] <factoryjoe> we're 2/3 day 1
[15:37] <factoryjoe> ;)
[15:37] <CharlesN> cliebert>> wanna talk to me ?
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[15:37] <factoryjoe> but when we're on the screen, y'know, i need back up
[15:37] <factoryjoe> ;)
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[15:37] * Suw is looking forward to Day 3
[15:37] <cliebert> no, just checking ;)
[15:38] <Salim> is anyone else having major connection problems?  I just got on after 30 mins
[15:38] <cliebert> hi rodrigo
[15:38] <dglazkov> ok. just let me know :)
[15:38] <CharlesN> Rodrigo,smile
[15:38] <CharlesN> nice
[15:38] <rodrigo> insztant smile on IRC
[15:38] <cliebert> hu  hu hu
[15:38] * dglazkov is checking his pom-poms
[15:38] <m-c> yeah, connection is on and off
[15:38] <peterkaminski> Salim, yes
[15:38] <tara_> pom poms?
[15:38] <cliebert> Smile with Rodrigo, and the world smile with you
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[15:39] <_neezee> salim yes. but as you are working on your presentation anyhow ... ;)
[15:39] <dotBen> salim: yeah connection sucks
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[15:39] <tariq_netvibes> lol
[15:39] <dglazkov> tara_; you know, for cheerleading
[15:39] <flevy> :-)
[15:39] <tara_> oh yes! I need some pom poms!
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[15:40] <factoryjoe> yes
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[15:40] <factoryjoe> we need more mu-F cheerleaders!
[15:40] <tara_> I just like to say 'pom pom'
[15:40] <factoryjoe> hurrah hurrah!
[15:40] <tara_> money money money money
[15:41] <cliebert> pompom
[15:41] <cliebert> pom
[15:41] <tara_> k...so what does this have to do with our blogs?
[15:41] <cliebert> pom pom
[15:41] <tara_> me me me
[15:41] <cliebert> enought ?
[15:41] <CharlesN> Rodrigo drop the camera for a sec' ;)
[15:41] <tara_> money for my blog?
[15:41] <CharlesN> stop playing with your new toy
[15:41] <tara_> are we back on the pom poms?
[15:41] <_neezee> or just turn off the sounds
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[15:41] <dotBen> attention businesses!
[15:42] <rodrigo> it's not new: but it might be fun for you to see hwhat the audienc elooks like from up here
[15:42] <tara_> up where?
[15:42] <tara_> oh....
[15:42] <rodrigo> on stage (speakers)
[15:42] <tara_> there
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[15:42] <jibot> nikolajn is in Denmark, Copenhagen and currently attending Supernova
[15:42] <_neezee> dotBen there is nothing wrong with doing business :)
[15:42] <tara_> there are speakers?
[15:42] <CharlesN> turn it a little on the left then, so i'll be on screen
[15:42] <dotBen> no there isisnt
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[15:42] <_neezee> nikolajn i would say you are not at supernova any more ;)
[15:42] <pforret> Your blog, www.horsepigcow.com, is worth $95,971.80
[15:42] * dotBen yells MIC
[15:43] <tara_> how do we monetize sticky eyeballs ?
[15:43] <cliebert> big up for rodrigo then ....
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[15:43] <Ed_Daniel> any live feeds at LesBlogs for us poor souls stuck at work ?
[15:43] <tara_> show me the money
[15:43] <pforret> http://www.business-opportunities.biz/projects/how-much-is-your-blog-worth/
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[15:43] <tara_> Flickr!
[15:43] <pforret> spend it first
[15:43] <dotBen> hammers'
[15:43] <rodrigo> ed > we'll stream teh panels as of next week
[15:43] <dltq> hey ben
[15:43] <mung> tag : lesblogs
[15:43] <_neezee> hei ben. i saw you start growing at least some hair again.
[15:43] <dotBen> yes
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[15:43] <tara_> Ed: www.http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/lesblogs/
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[15:43] <dotBen> The grey is alsmost gone
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[15:44] <Ewan_> Mr H!
[15:44] <Ed_Daniel> tx T
[15:44] <dotBen> what the fuck with sixapart?
[15:44] <tara_> it's about as streaming as it gets
[15:44] <cliebert> sixapart ...
[15:44] * BenHammersley is in the house
[15:44] <rvr> BenHammersley: I think your photo of Marc Canter will become (in)famous ;)
[15:44] <factoryjoe> gah
[15:44] <factoryjoe> $77,341.98.
[15:44] <tara_> ben, GREAT shot of Marc
[15:44] <BenHammersley> at least he wasn't drooling
[15:44] <BenHammersley> :-)
[15:44] <factoryjoe> rvr
[15:44] <rvr> ha
[15:45] <rvr> factoryjoe
[15:45] <tara_> you could photoshop that in
[15:45] <Ed_Daniel> yeah ben, nice shot!
[15:45] <factoryjoe> i can gaurentee that's it's going to be famous
[15:45] <mung> lol
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[15:45] <mung> photoshop contest on Marc?
[15:45] <dglazkov> ok, who's going to come up with a t-shirt tagline for it?
[15:45] <cliebert> looks like nobody listening to the conference ;)
[15:45] <Ed_Daniel> they gave me all this money and all i could come up with was this finger
[15:45] <tara_> sure we're listening
[15:45] <dotBen> yeah, they ain't giving anything away
[15:45] <m-c> 'blog me i'm sleeping'
[15:45] <mung> lol
[15:46] <mung> lol
[15:46] <dotBen> if they thought there was money to be made in something then they'd be doing it
[15:46] <cliebert> multitasking blogger ???
[15:46] <jy_> he's not sleeping he's thinking
[15:46] <cfd> he's now sleeping with one hand in the air.
[15:46] <dglazkov> REM 2.0
[15:46] <AndreasHaugstrup> BenHammersley: I'm glad to see you took my hight video in lighthearted mood it was meant for :)
[15:46] <BenHammersley> oh, mate, it my day
[15:46] <BenHammersley> I laughed so hard I started to cry
[15:46] <tara_> thank goodness for flickr
[15:47] <m-c> he's famous
[15:47] <dltq> heh, let's do some remixes Andreas
[15:47] <factoryjoe> omg
[15:47] <nikolajn> http://flickr.com/photos/ross/6344606/
[15:47] <factoryjoe> i'm so in trouble
[15:47] <dotBen> bubblet- sounds like denile to me
[15:47] <dotBen> bubble or no bubble - no middle way
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[15:47] <jibot> ethanz is usually in western MA, USA. blogs at http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethan and spends most of his time thinking about Africa or bacon.
[15:48] <wavestorm> hey ;)
[15:48] <wavestorm> te second line is up and running
[15:48] <tara_> bacon ... mmmmm
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[15:48] <cliebert> hu hu
[15:48] <wavestorm> if you feel like it you can switch to blog-2 wifi network
[15:48] <AndreasHaugstrup> Great! It's my claim to fame. Taking one-liners out of context... or something
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[15:48] <rvr> nikolajn: lol
[15:48] <BenHammersley> it's a talent, I grant you
[15:48] <dotBen> wavestorm - where do we claim for a refund, the connectivities been crap
[15:48] <dotBen> not worth €17k
[15:48] <cliebert> a claim
[15:48] <cliebert> .
[15:48] <AndreasHaugstrup> dltq: I started to look through your footage from bloggforum, but I didn't get around to it until after I had made the video (sadly)
[15:48] <wavestorm> ;) ask for FT & the CCIP :)
[15:49] <AndreasHaugstrup> I wanted to go back and do more later
[15:49] <tara_> hype hype hype
[15:49] <AndreasHaugstrup> from all sessions
[15:49] <cfd> t-shirts are coming...
[15:49] <wavestorm> (especialliy the ccip :p )
[15:49] <tara_> DRINK!
[15:49] <factoryjoe> wavestorm: cool
[15:49] <antoin> i reckon there is a better way to design the setup for online conferences. proxy servers, local chat servers, etc.
[15:49] <cliebert> for a 10 Keuros seems quite buggy ?
[15:49] <m-c> cfd -- you are so into this conference hm?
[15:49] <dotBen> same old idea
[15:49] <wavestorm> well the FT line only failed a few secs
[15:50] <dotBen> couldn't ge on for about 45mins
[15:50] <wavestorm> the CCIP failed for what... ? 2 hours ?
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[15:50] <_neezee> on and off again.
[15:50] <CharlesN> and whet vpod business model ?
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[15:50] <_neezee> i would say just too many laptops ;)(
[15:50] <tara_> gah!
[15:50] <znarf> hey rs_
[15:50] <tara_> Too many laptops?
[15:50] <rs_> hi there
[15:50] <BenHammersley> video as a means to expression is TOO DIFFICULT
[15:50] <_neezee> but a local server for irc before connection out is good.
[15:50] <dltq> why?
[15:50] <dotBen> yeah I think it's easier to write than video, actually
[15:50] <wavestorm> looks like everybody is being served with WiFi though!
[15:50] <_neezee> tara_ yes. shut down the one of pretty boy, he can look at yours ;)
[15:50] <antoin> well, it takes some planning. writing is much easier.
[15:51] <dotBen> also yes I use a video at birthdays and weddings, but I write every day
[15:51] <rvr> But video and audio are much more emotional
[15:51] <m-c> arent blogs, vblog and podcasting just means of expression?!?
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[15:51] <BenHammersley> VCs who don't actually use technology make me cry
[15:51] <znarf> who are u rs_ ? Ben or Oliv ?
[15:51] <antoin> yes, if you want to start a revolution, you need video!
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[15:51] <rs_> olivier
[15:51] <dltq> there are pieces of Ben's presentation in Stockholm that you cant appreciate fully without the visual
[15:51] <rs_> the tech guy from dailymotion :)
[15:51] <peterkaminski> dotBen, i think some people are good writers, some people are good talkers, some people are good videographers
[15:51] <znarf> yeah i know !
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[15:51] <antoin> the what?
[15:52] <Ed_Daniel> good call PK - it's when you put 'em together you get something special
[15:52] <dotBen> peterkaminski: and no good video'erS:
[15:52] <AndreasHaugstrup> video is by nature more documentary
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[15:52] <cliebert> hello olivier
[15:52] <_neezee> BenHammersley i spready the link of your audio to some more people and told them you will evolve greatly from that talk - so looking forward ;)
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[15:52] <antoin> home-made porno.
[15:52] <antoin> it's gonna be massive.
[15:52] <AndreasHaugstrup> dltq: I don't think I can appreciate BenHammersley withouth the visual ;)
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[15:52] <m-c> everyone is photoshoping the pict of the guy sleeping now, awesome
[15:52] <peterkaminski> i wonder if we'll get the Blogger or Movable Type of video someday
[15:52] * BenHammersley is entirely video based
[15:52] <Suw> can anyone appreciate BenHammersley without the visual?
[15:52] <BenHammersley> or the tactile
[15:53] <_neezee> BenHammersley of course. you are just the show man.
[15:53] <rodrigo> isn't sign language great ?
[15:53] <dltq> peterkaminski yeah that's what we are all waiting for
[15:53] <tara_> tactile....mmmmmm
[15:53] <BenHammersley> \0/
[15:53] <neilmcintosh> yr a married man, Hammersley...
[15:53] <Salim> i think video is a long way off... it's just so much heavier than text... 100s of formats, etc etc.. .it's going to take a while (imho)
[15:53] <Suw> don't get him started
[15:53] <dotBen> but wheres the money going ot come from
[15:53] <BenHammersley> I'm the flickr of tactile blogging
[15:53] <dltq> true, Salim. still we are having fun with it
[15:53] <Suw> but no kilt today
[15:53] <AndreasHaugstrup> Salim: it's already going on. Formats schmormats
[15:53] <Suw> which is, frankly, disappointing
[15:53] <tara_> that rocks
[15:53] <BenHammersley> not today - tomorrow
[15:53] <rodrigo> where you see complexity, there is an opportunity to simplify (for salim)
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[15:53] <Suw> where you see complexity, I see a man in a kilt
[15:53] <_neezee> salim yes, but at the same time it is about a different kind of perception, as well as with audio doing this to text - having an audio to text is already quite different
[15:54] <rs_> how the conference is doing?
[15:54] <_neezee> suw thx, i  know something was different.
[15:54] <Salim> ok - I take the points,... but i still maintain we're a ways off....
[15:54] <Ed_Daniel> some of the obvious models that drive the money are money focused such as 'betting tips', 'financial analysis' - after that look at what you pay money for now...
[15:54] <factoryjoe> http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70492753/
[15:54] <tara_> conference? There's a conference?
[15:54] <dotBen> I agree with Salim
[15:54] <cfd> not sure, everybody is chatting...
[15:54] <Salim> now, if someone can create a really simple video thing, then great!
[15:54] <_neezee> BenHammersley so you are just showing off and not really living up to it? dissappointing
[15:54] <znarf> rs_ > they're sleeping or photoshopping ...
[15:54] <BenHammersley> tomorrow I shall also wax my tache
[15:54] <_neezee> wear a wig, please.
[15:55] <tara_> joe: LOL!!!!
[15:55] <antoin> yeah, yahoo should stop hiring journalists.
[15:55] <rvr> factoryjoe: Fantastic!!!
[15:55] <rvr> :DDD
[15:55] <neilmcintosh> joe: brilliance
[15:55] <factoryjoe> :D
[15:55] <Salim> yeah Dave, whack him... !
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[15:55] <znarf> factoryjoe++
[15:55] <dotBen> here we go
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[15:55] <dotBen> ...
[15:55] <factoryjoe> oh, he woke up!
[15:56] <dotBen> lol
[15:56] <neilmcintosh> does he know?
[15:56] <factoryjoe> btw, if anyone is available for protection, i'm interested
[15:56] <dltq> not yet
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[15:56] <tara_> c'mon...put up that flickr photostream!
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[15:56] <factoryjoe> likewise
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[15:56] <tara_> throw us a bone!
[15:56] <factoryjoe> Y!Zzzzz
[15:56] <dotBen> new open yahoo - lol
[15:56] <cfd> stale powerpoint out!
[15:56] <factoryjoe> Flickrzzzz
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[15:57] <tara_> flickr flickr flickr!
[15:57] <rodrigo> tell LOic to come down and plug in his mac fro teh flickr show
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[15:57] <jibot> RMacK is sometimes a slightly devil's advocate and quite good at it
[15:57] <tara_> Loic?
[15:57] <cfd> Flickr! now!
[15:57] <rodrigo> he's behind near the door
[15:57] <RMacK> where is the flickr pic
[15:57] <cfd> loic is sleeping?
[15:57] <factoryjoe> c'mon baby, light my fire
[15:57] <ebow> is anina online?
[15:57] <mung> got to shoot that
[15:57] <factoryjoe> is he?
[15:57] <Ed_Daniel> ROFLMAO
[15:57] <tara_> fire up your camera!
[15:57] <rodrigo> nope, he's the one managing the flcikr pix
[15:57] <factoryjoe> get a photo!
[15:57] <ethanz> Loic deserves a rest. Okay if he's sleeping now
[15:57] <BenHammersley> Corporate blogging is faux openness designed to shut the bloggers up
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[15:58] <Salim> can't imagine AOL beating yahoo... anyone care to comment on that?
[15:58] <dotBen> whoa hammersley
[15:58] <RMacK> http://www.flickr.com/photos/94657696@N00/70493386/
[15:58] <tara_> fauxpenness
[15:58] <BenHammersley> tara_: nice
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[15:58] <dotBen> talking about overstatement
[15:58] <antoin> well, maybe in a googlefight.
[15:58] <factoryjoe> marc's looking kind of red
[15:58] <BenHammersley> The Fat Man Sings!
[15:58] <RMacK> time warner is such an incompetently managed company, as long as they own aol i wouldnt bet on aol
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[15:58] <factoryjoe> comrade++
[15:58] <Salim> RMacK: agree... AOL comes across as quite disorganized...
[15:59] <tara_> !
[15:59] <tara_> Turk!
[15:59] <factoryjoe> ...where people==robots
[15:59] * BenHammersley has a mechanical turk
[15:59] <neilmcintosh> paid? oh, please.
[15:59] <dotBen> consumers who are bored can get paid 3c to sport a door in a photo. wooo
[15:59] <Suw> can i get a mechanical scot? with a kilt?
[15:59] <neilmcintosh> let's launch some e-money next
[15:59] <BenHammersley> well, it's more a young turk
[15:59] * factoryjoe has a mechanical watch
[15:59] <rodrigo> guys - your voice is heard up here, loic is ready for his flickr show
[15:59] <dotBen> welcome to slave labour
[15:59] <dotBen> who wants to do it for 3c?
[15:59] <tara_> I have a mechanical scot
[15:59] <BenHammersley> he brings me sweetmeats and dancing girls
[15:59] <factoryjoe> or a mechanical mountie
[15:59] <tara_> ;)
[16:00] <michel_v> hmm
[16:00] <tara_> mechanical bull
[16:00] <cliebert> let's hack it ;)
[16:00] <Suw> battery powered
[16:00] <BenHammersley> Abdul! The girls! *clap*clap*
[16:00] <michel_v> "Too Many Laptops" sounds like a nice band name
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[16:00] <cfd> flicker!
[16:00] <cfd> on screen.
[16:00] <dotBen> Too Many Laptops sounds like the name of this conference...
[16:00] <factoryjoe> how was your nap loiclemeur?
[16:00] <tara_> Eyeballs! DRINK
[16:00] <tara_> flickr! Flickr!
[16:00] <mung> btw great to have lot of plugs
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[16:01] <factoryjoe> horde of rapid attack squirrels! *clap* *clap*
[16:01] <CharlesN> Just check with loic to put the flickr on wide screen
[16:01] * BenHammersley unleashes the squirrels
[16:01] <dotBen> HOOOORAY
[16:01] <neilmcintosh> not the squirrels! they're evil.
[16:01] <cfd> yeah!
[16:01] <dotBen> LOL
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[16:01] <neilmcintosh> wahey
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[16:01] <Suw> ha ha ha
[16:01] <tara_> tag
[16:01] <BenHammersley> I'm soooo fucked
[16:01] <cfd> clap clap clap!
[16:01] <factoryjoe> ditto
[16:01] <tara_> look up the tag cloud
[16:02] <factoryjoe> what's the tag?
[16:02] <tara_> lesblogs tag
[16:02] <factoryjoe> cantersleeping?
[16:02] <neilmcintosh> no logo tho
[16:02] <tara_> ya ya
[16:02] <ethanz> good to know I'm so predictable that marc can safely sleep through our panel...
[16:02] <Salim> oh Ben, that was great......
[16:02] <BenHammersley> he's behind me. I'm going to die
[16:02] <dltq> someone GOT to film this!
[16:02] <tara_> lol...
[16:02] * BenHammersley has been sung at before
[16:02] <tara_> Sorry man, you're on your own
[16:02] <neilmcintosh> ben - use your pace.
[16:02] <pforret> it was nice to know you, ben
[16:03] <neilmcintosh> if you start running now...
[16:03] <factoryjoe> ben, use your mace
[16:03] <rodrigo> it's being filmed
[16:03] <dltq> the mac is broken anyway
[16:03] <neilmcintosh> joe: lol
[16:03] <cliebert> headline tomorow ... bloody vengeance among bloggers @ les blogs. 2.0
[16:03] <neilmcintosh> bloggy hell
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[16:04] <Suw> ok, dear, that photo seems to have slowed Flickr to a crawl
[16:04] <Suw> what have you done...
[16:04] <michel_v> riots erupting at les blogs over wifi frustrations. three hundred laptops burned by angry bloggers!
[16:04] <dltq> im having a laughing fit here in Oslo
[16:04] <factoryjoe> "b-list bloggers rise to prominence as a-listers finish each other off"
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[16:05] <cliebert> tomorrowlol
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[16:05] <cliebert> hu hu hu
[16:05] <rodrigo> www.spreadshirt.Com
[16:05] <Suw> we should lock the A-listers in the room d ownstairs with the very last canape and see who comes out alive at the end
[16:05] <cliebert> Riots - nowhere but in paris ...
[16:05] <Ewan_> Note for conference organsiers - just have some ethernet patch cables beside the plugs...
[16:05] <_neezee> i am not burning my laptop.
[16:05] <cliebert> smeel the burn ?
[16:05] <Ewan_> Suw: probably ben, he'd lift his skirt
[16:06] <Suw> he's sadly betrousered at hte moment
[16:06] <Suw> he's let the side down
[16:06] <Suw> it's a sad, sad day for utilikilt fans
[16:06] <BenHammersley> ffs - I'm *sorry* all right?
[16:06] <rvr> Suw: Yeah, the Next Big Thing(TM) will be "reality blogs"
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[16:06] <BenHammersley> I'll wear a skirt tomorrow
[16:06] <Suw> alright
[16:06] <Suw> *pouts*
[16:06] * BenHammersley cries
[16:06] <factoryjoe> hmm
[16:06] <Ewan_> Ben when you get iconic clothing, you have no choice
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[16:06] <rvr> Blog Survavivals
[16:06] <factoryjoe> can we can my header up on les blogs?
[16:06] <dotBen> nooooooooooooooooo
[16:07] <dotBen> no skirt hammersley
[16:07] <Ewan_> It's like a Baker-esque scark or a Linus blanket
[16:07] <BenHammersley> this is true
[16:07] <Suw> see, it's not just me.
[16:07] <BenHammersley> I'm speaking tomorrow, so skirt and suicidegirls t-shirt, as is traditional
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[16:07] <factoryjoe> ooooo i'm so dead
[16:07] <Ewan_> better
[16:07] <Suw> why are you banned from the tag stream?
[16:07] <factoryjoe> i post non-photos
[16:07] * BenHammersley is taking factoryjoe with him
[16:08] <Suw> oh dear. is that bad for some reason?
[16:08] <factoryjoe> yay!
[16:08] <factoryjoe> well
[16:08] <Suw> BenHammersley: out to the back of the bike sheds?
[16:08] <factoryjoe> my photos don't show up in groups or tag streams
[16:08] <factoryjoe> yeah, sux0r
[16:08] <ethanz> I think it's a good thing that Loic has a sufficient sense of humor that he's putting these images up in the background...
[16:08] <Suw> wow, that's really crap
[16:08] <Suw> that's censorship
[16:08] <factoryjoe> loiclemeur++
[16:08] <fmahon> factoryjoe: nice photoshop job !!!!
[16:08] <factoryjoe> suw: yup
[16:08] <factoryjoe> :D
[16:08] <loiclemeur> :-)
[16:09] <CharlesN> Nice job!!
[16:09] <dotBen> horaay for loic + his private jet!
[16:09] <BenHammersley> and the IRC is on the screen
[16:09] <CharlesN> lol
[16:09] <BenHammersley> so, erm, no dirty words
[16:09] <factoryjoe> to the private jet!
[16:09] * Ewan_ is tempted
[16:09] <Suw> anyone here from flickr?
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[16:09] <dltq> I want to join the Ben&Joe fan club
[16:09] <michel_v> BenHammersley: dirty words like... skyblog?
[16:09] <_neezee> Ewan_ you are not here, so behave yourself
[16:09] <tara_> Ben & Joe! Ben & Joe!
[16:09] <Ewan_> So if I was there I could misbehave???
[16:09] <factoryjoe> so in trouble... :D
[16:09] <cliebert> typepad is a dirty word too ... sometimes ...
[16:09] <Suw> isn't that a type of ice cream?
[16:09] <factoryjoe> Ewan_: totally
[16:09] <BenHammersley> geocities is the new typepad
[16:10] <factoryjoe> no no, we make ice cream
[16:10] <_neezee> icecream is always nice.
[16:10] <Suw> typepad is the new geocities?
[16:10] <Crosswick> yeastcoast?
[16:10] <factoryjoe> *reckless* ice cream
[16:10] <factoryjoe> can i getta what what?
[16:10] <cliebert> hu hu hu
[16:10] <loiclemeur> BenHammersley: we have just called the french riots intervention forces to get you out of the room
[16:10] <tara_> it's the flickr of blogware
[16:10] <neilmcintosh> suw: did you ever use geocities? :-)
[16:10] <tara_> DRINK
[16:10] <cliebert> GIGN for Ben ???
[16:10] <BenHammersley> the French police are a bunch of girls
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[16:10] <ethanz> geocities - now that's a dirty word...
[16:10] <Suw> neilmcintosh: if i answer that do i incriminate myself?
[16:10] <BenHammersley> all that black padding
[16:10] <_neezee> tara i would say drink for bay area also
[16:10] <tara_> DRINK
[16:11] <BenHammersley> real police wear skirts and war paint
[16:11] <Suw> all that black pudding?
[16:11] <dotBen> WEAK TEA
[16:11] <neilmcintosh> is that Canter striking a match? Ben - watch out!
[16:11] <dotBen> arrr
[16:11] <BenHammersley> fight the power\
[16:11] * AndreasHaugstrup lives in SoHo/5478
[16:11] <dotBen> it moooves
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[16:11] <CharlesN> and real police quick black asses in the street ??
[16:11] <cliebert> carefull guys
[16:11] <factoryjoe> dotBen!
[16:11] <mung> it was near
[16:11] <Salim> ohh... a handshake... no good...
[16:11] <dotBen> Marc leaves to find somewhere quiet to nap
[16:11] <dglazkov> where are the live feeds!?
[16:11] <BenHammersley> he slipped me some poison
[16:11] <BenHammersley> arrrgggggh
[16:11] <tara_> Flickr Flickr Flickr
[16:11] <dotBen> jactoyjoe!
[16:11] <mung> lol
[16:11] <ethanz> he's off to get a gun from the woman  on the morning's panel
[16:11] * BenHammersley can't breath
[16:11] <tara_> DRINK
[16:11] <dotBen> factoryjoe! even
[16:11] <_neezee> dotBen not quite but without cameras ;)
[16:12] <dltq> rofl@this
[16:12] <mung> lol
[16:12] <neilmcintosh> poison. in the hand. like 24
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[16:12] <dltq> now is when we need the flickr of video already
[16:12] * BenHammersley is now known as DeadBen
[16:12] <tara_> totally
[16:12] <CharlesN> tara> r u that thirsty ?
[16:12] <dotBen> maybe marc let one rip as he walked past, Ben
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[16:12] <cliebert> dailymotion ...
[16:12] <tara_> I'm playing the drinking game....obviously By Myself!
[16:12] <cliebert> video flickr ?
[16:12] <DeadBen> silent, but deadly
[16:12] <CharlesN> dailymotion sucks?
[16:12] <_neezee> tara_ and also with your own money
[16:13] <tara_> that sux
[16:13] <michel_v> dltq: there's dailymotion.com
[16:13] <DeadBen> there's a drinking game?
[16:13] <dotBen> us IRC'ers are all idiot's really.  The rest of this lot are listening to how to become millionaires.  and we're photoshoping Marc Canter and alking about poison
[16:13] <dltq> oh lol I know, and vimeo and youtube and blip.tv and and
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[16:13] <tara_> I thought we were going to be monetized during this session?
[16:13] <dotBen> :)
[16:13] <CharlesN> drinking game? where?
[16:13] * DeadBen is now known as TheAntiScoble
[16:13] <michel_v> dotBen: what if photoshopping Marc Canter is the Web 3.0 thing to do?
[16:13] <mung> is there a next CanterPSD round?
[16:13] <_neezee> ben you missed that presentation, that was this morning ;)
[16:13] <TheAntiScoble> c'mere baby, I'm monetise you
[16:13] <tara_> Canter 2.0
[16:13] <cfd> Each time they say 2.0 you get to drink?
[16:13] <michel_v> dotBen: you'll be glad you did photoshop Marc Canter when THAT happens :)
[16:13] <neilmcintosh> dotben: you mean you haven't made your first million yet?
[16:14] <loiclemeur> hehe Ben back again as theantiscoble
[16:14] <loiclemeur> 8)
[16:14] <cliebert> dailymotion doesn't suck ...
[16:14] <dotBen> neil: almost )
[16:14] <Ed_Daniel> btw this might interest as an example of blog-teams: http://performancing.com/about
[16:14] <jy_> COFFEE
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[16:14] <dotBen> DRINK
[16:14] <neilmcintosh> I'm only  about two mill off, dotben
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[16:14] <Suw> ooh break!
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[16:14] <neilmcintosh> drink!
[16:15] <tara_> dying for one
[16:15] <cliebert> CharlesN >> should see their last improvment to dailymotion
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[16:15] <photomatt_paris> factoryjoe: how'd you get banned?
[16:15] <TheAntiScoble> drink!
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[16:15] <dltq> photomatt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70492753/
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[16:16] <dltq> duh@self, too much caffeine
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[16:16] <factoryjoe> photomatt_paris: well
[16:16] <factoryjoe> that's how it goes w/ flickr
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[16:17] <photomatt_paris> cal lives on beale and folsom, we can jump him ;)
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[16:17] <Geoff_> Hi all from Geoff Jones in Cambridge UK
[16:17] <Geoff_> Sorry that I'm missing it :-(
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[16:18] <Geoff_> Is the backchannel holding up?
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[16:18] <factoryjoe> oh man
[16:18] <factoryjoe> you big time missed it
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[16:19] <Geoff_> Shucks I was at LesBlogs1
[16:19] <factoryjoe> i do mockups
[16:19] <factoryjoe> http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70501112/
[16:19] <AndreasHaugstrup> I thought all of us non-attendees were only missing sleeping beauties
[16:19] <Geoff_> and Loic spoke at my conference Our social World in Cambridge
[16:19] <Ed_Daniel> Where's the controversy eh!? ;-) "told me that what he’s missing at this event is some element of criticism — just a lot of “blogs are good� backrubbing among each other going on"  http://www.jaanuskase.com/en/2005/12/les_blogs_first_halfday.html
[16:19] <michel_v> AndreasHaugstrup: I'm missing sleeping Marc Canter :/
[16:20] <AndreasHaugstrup> michel_v: close enough
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[16:20] <Geoff_> Is there coffee this time?
[16:20] <factoryjoe> Geoff_: yes
[16:21] <Geoff_> Is there a river of news feed?
[16:21] <Geoff_> that I can tap into
[16:21] <Ed_Daniel> not really Geoff, no live feeds - just Flickr and this http://www.technorati.com/tag/lesblogs
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[16:22] <Ed_Daniel> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/lesblogs/
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[16:22] <Geoff_> Thanks thats good
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[16:23] <Geoff_> I wonder if i can make a feed of photos tagged Lesblogs
[16:23] <Ed_Daniel> Geoff, if you're attending the politcal blog session please try and raise visibility for lobbying by bloggers against this...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/30/AR2005113002109.html
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[16:24] <Ed_Daniel> http://www.flickr.com/services/feeds/photos_public.gne?tags=lesblogs&format=rss_200
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[16:25] <mung> l
[16:26] <Geoff_> Ed - wish I could but I'm in Cambridge :-) Executive Wants to Charge for Web Speed sure sounds liker the beginning of censorship on the net to me
[16:27] <Ed_Daniel> damn right, flies in the face of what Lessig warned us might happen in his book 'Future of Ideas'
[16:27] * mark__hu is now known as mark_hu
[16:28] <Ed_Daniel> btw do read Andrew Marr's 'My Trade' - it's got some great tips that can be applied to blogging
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[16:30] <dltq> is there any OPML file of the feeds of all the les blogs participants somewhere?
[16:31] <Geoff_> Ed - thank you - I've added it to my Amazon wish list!
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[16:31] <ant0ine> dltq: rvr setup this page http://lesblogs.webdosbeta.net/
[16:31] <ant0ine> with OPML
[16:32] <dltq> :>
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[16:33] <factoryjoe> this is when dglazkov talks about xoxo for feed lists
[16:33] <Ed_Daniel> ps. definitive list of political blogs in UK can be found here: http://www.voidstar.com/ukpoliblog/index.php/op/opml
[16:33] * dglazkov wakes up. What? Where? XOXO! XOXO!
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[16:35] <factoryjoe> :D
[16:35] <dltq> dglazkov ;): give me xoxo in a format that I can easily insert into my FeedDemon
[16:35] <factoryjoe> dglazkov: do we have a microformat for reading lists?
[16:35] <factoryjoe> ie xoxo + xfolk that feeddemon, etc can consume?
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[16:36] <dglazkov> hmm.. attention.xml, but it's still very raw
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[16:36] <bunnywabbit_> hello!
[16:37] <factoryjoe> ah ha
[16:37] <dotBen_> yo yo
[16:37] <dotBen_> does anyone mind if I post some ASCII art?:
[16:37] <dglazkov> http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/01/attentionxml.html
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[16:37] <Geoff_> Thanks Ed - Julian also spoke at my conference Our Social World
[16:37] <dotBen_> actually, I wont-- freenode will ban this IP and we'll all get chucked!
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[16:38] <dglazkov> dltq: I don't think feeddemon supports xoxo just yet.
[16:38] <dglazkov> but your browser does ;)
[16:38] <dltq> :) so for now I will use whatever format works, from a pragmatic point of view
[16:38] <photomatt_paris> isn't xoxo a dirty word in spanish?
[16:39] <dglazkov> god, I hope so
[16:39] <photomatt_paris> xoxo is the heart of web 2.0
[16:39] <photomatt_paris> we need to xoxo-enable everything
[16:39] <chryss> hi photomatt_paris!
[16:39] <photomatt_paris> howy chryss
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[16:40] <dltq> you are free to go and gopher- or lynx-enable everything too, as long as tools are built that I can Use in my dailylife :>
[16:40] <factoryjoe> photomatt_paris: i hope you're serious
[16:40] <chryss> my blog is lynx-enabled.
[16:40] <dglazkov> http://tinyurl.com/cflcp
[16:40] <factoryjoe> well the bigger issue is first: what's the reading list for les blogs
[16:40] <factoryjoe> oh
[16:40] <factoryjoe> there you go
[16:40] <photomatt_paris> it's funny the guy pitching dave hornik on the stage
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[16:41] <photomatt_paris> dglazkov: where's that from? I'm not included
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[16:42] <dglazkov> the url above is the xslt transform of webdosbeta's OPML feed. I cheated
[16:42] <dglazkov> but with good intentions :)
[16:42] <dglazkov> say hello to xoxo
[16:42] <dltq> oh, it looks much prettier in my Firefox than some .opml file, that I grant you
[16:43] <dglazkov> it's not only prettines. It's DRY principle: Don't Repeat Yourself
[16:43] <dltq> now i only wish technically superieur xoxo to work with bloglines, feeddemon and tailrank
[16:43] <dglazkov> if you have to write it in HTML, why repeat yourself in some other format?
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[16:44] <dglazkov> it's only a matter of time? :)
[16:44] <dltq> they said the same with Atom ;)
[16:45] <dglazkov> and they were right ;)
[16:45] <factoryjoe> btw
[16:45] <factoryjoe> photomatt_paris: for posting favorites from flock to wordpress
[16:45] <factoryjoe> i'd like to consider using atom
[16:45] <factoryjoe> or hatom even
[16:45] <factoryjoe> based on the work of the blogmarks guys
[16:46] <AndreasHaugstrup> hatom is looking nice imo
[16:46] <dglazkov> speaking of atom: http://www.microformats.org/wiki/hatom
[16:46] <photomatt_paris> factoryjoe: why not a RESTful XOXO microformat-enabled XML transport?
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[16:46] <jibot> RMacK is sometimes a slightly devil's advocate and quite good at it
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[16:46] <AndreasHaugstrup> like the talk on the mailing list I'd like to be able to use relativel uris though
[16:46] <factoryjoe> photomatt_paris: that was redundant
[16:47] <photomatt_paris> I know :)
[16:47] <factoryjoe> :P
[16:47] * AndreasHaugstrup has acronym-overload
[16:47] <factoryjoe> but yeah matt, i want to post favorites to wordpress
[16:47] <factoryjoe> have you got privacy?
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[16:47] <factoryjoe> who brought the stripper?
[16:48] <photomatt_paris> we have strippers and privacy
[16:48] <dglazkov> wasn't me
[16:48] <factoryjoe> gotta have both
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[16:48] <photomatt_paris> links can be invisible
[16:48] <factoryjoe> ok
[16:48] <factoryjoe> cool
[16:48] <znarf> factoryjoe, favorites in Atom, definitively :)
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[16:49] <factoryjoe> i wonder how atom would support privacy
[16:49] <dglazkov> factoryjoe: in what way?
[16:49] <znarf> factoryjoe, you have to extend
[16:49] <photomatt_paris> forget privacy, I want piracy!
[16:50] <AndreasHaugstrup> piracy and strippers, huh
[16:50] <factoryjoe> photomatt_paris: we got that
[16:50] <photomatt_paris> we can use arrrrrrrrr ess ess
[16:50] <factoryjoe> which is why france is banning open source!
[16:50] <factoryjoe> yarr!
[16:50] <znarf> troller !
[16:50] <photomatt_paris> yarr!
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[16:50] <photomatt_paris> open source and piracy go hand in hand
[16:50] <photomatt_paris> where do you think "patches" come from???
[16:50] <photomatt_paris> arrr
[16:50] <rvr> photomatt_paris: Don't troll ;)
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[16:51] <rvr> Open Source comes from English not being able to distinguish between libre and gratis
[16:51] <yannk> France is banning OpenSource ? where ?
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[16:52] <znarf> les sources ouvertes puent. vive le logiciel libre !
[16:52] <loiclemeur> test
[16:52] <dltq> echo
[16:52] <cliebert> echo
[16:52] <znarf> 1
[16:52] <gily> 2
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[16:52] <dotBen> 3
[16:53] <rvr> Hi Suw
[16:53] <rvr> Suw: Where are you?
[16:53] <cliebert> 4
[16:53] <dotBen> all present and correct
[16:53] <znarf> it seems working
[16:53] <Suw> i am now in the middle, on the left, second row from front
[16:53] <Suw> where are you?
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[16:54] <dotBen> who's that ugly fuck sitting in the middle
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[16:54] <mung> where is Canter banner?
[16:54] <Suw> ha ha ha ha
[16:54] <dotBen> lol
[16:54] <cliebert>  hu hu hu
[16:54] <dotBen> you'd have to be desparate to date him
[16:54] <mung> lol
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[16:54] * dotBen goes ouch
[16:54] <rvr> Suw: Here X-)
[16:54] <Suw> you're just jealouse
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[16:55] <dotBen> yeah, I love him too
[16:55] <Suw> where's here????
[16:55] <dotBen> here he is
[16:55] <dotBen> YO YO YO
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[16:55] <dotBen> big up da BBC
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[16:55] <yannk> Anyone got Nokia 7610 Charger available ? This for Olivier (Six Apart)
[16:55] <photomatt_paris> if I fall asleep you guys have to promise not to photoshop pictures of me
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[16:55] <Suw> we can't do that matt
[16:55] <Suw> i'm sorry
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[16:55] <jibot> antoin is in Ireland and blogging at http://www.eire.com/ and on fon and always welcomed in the great DPRK
[16:55] <dotBen> IT WAS NOT A BLOG
[16:55] <Suw> i wish we could
[16:55] <dotBen> I SAY
[16:55] <factoryjoe> yannk: ask the nokia rep
[16:55] <rvr> Suw: Four row on the right? It depends on the reference ;)
[16:56] <Suw> :-p
[16:56] <dotBen> ENGLISH
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[16:56] <dotBen> please
[16:56] <factoryjoe> comment?
[16:56] <loiclemeur> he does not speak english
[16:56] <Suw> you're just enjoying me looking round stupidly
[16:56] <dotBen> arhhh
[16:56] <rvr> Gray shirt
[16:56] <yannk> factoryjoe: Xavier has a free N90 ;) not a 7610 charger  -- I assume :)
[16:56] <maartens> Subtitles :-)
[16:56] <factoryjoe> Suw: don't forget, i need a photo of you
[16:56] <factoryjoe> today
[16:56] <factoryjoe> ;)
[16:56] <Suw> lol
[16:56] <Suw> grab me after this session maybe?
[16:56] <dotBen> what kind of photo?
[16:56] <factoryjoe> btw, my photoshop sword will go gently
[16:56] <Suw> i should be delighted to pose for you
[16:57] <dotBen> I bet you would
[16:57] <dotBen> see, boyfriend is up on stage and you're already playing away suw
[16:57] <factoryjoe> we'll have to find a neutral background
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[16:57] <Suw> grey shirt to my right?
[16:57] <BenHammersley> Switzerland?
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[16:58] <dotBen> did I get kicked
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[16:58] <jibot> _neezee is Nicole Simon from usefulsounds.com and crueltobeking.org and as nice as jeannie.
[16:58] <_neezee> rehi
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[16:58] <Geoff_> Hi Ben and Suw sorry that I didnt make it to hear you again - Geoff Jones, Cambridge
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[16:58] <Suw> Geoff_: it's a shame you're not here. it's fun. :)_
[16:59] <dotBen> yeah
[16:59] <dotBen> hope the blogging is doing justice to the event
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[16:59] <dotBen> I'm being told to appologise by Jem Stone
[16:59] <jemstone> beppe grillo:http://www.beppegrillo.it/english.php
[16:59] <dltq> hmm not really, but the photoshopping is great
[16:59] <Geoff_> Not much arounf at the moment
[16:59] <loiclemeur> Hi Geogg !
[16:59] * BenHammersley waves to Geoff_
[16:59] <loiclemeur> Geoff
[16:59] <_neezee> dotBen for what this time? ;)
[16:59] <loiclemeur> oops
[16:59] <Geoff_> Thanks Ben and suw
[16:59] <dotBen> no ipdea
[17:00] <_neezee> we are busy getting access again, so we have no time to blog ;)
[17:00] <Suw> Geoff_: have you checked the flickr stream? tag: lesblogs
[17:00] <mung> design the web 3.0 tshirt
[17:00] <dotBen> come on, we've all read it
[17:00] * dotBen incdicates there is a conference session going on...
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[17:01] <dglazkov> dotBen, how's the session? And which one is on?
[17:01] <Geoff_> I was hoping for a River Of News stream - will check Flickr now
[17:01] <antoin> ?whois dotben
[17:01] <jibot> Nobody has defined dotben yet
[17:01] <Suw> politics and blogging
[17:01] <dotBen> so we're currently hearing about politics in blogging
[17:01] <gily> italian democraty
[17:01] <mung> politics ...
[17:01] <_neezee> in different languages ...
[17:01] <dotBen> and in particuarlly looking at italian media vs blogging
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[17:01] <mung> 2 actually
[17:01] <peterkaminski> and http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/lesblogs/interesting/ -- Ben's picture is moving up the attention list amongst the Les Blogs 1 photos
[17:01] <dotBen> seems very popular osme of the blogs
[17:01] <CharlesN> can we get that ppt from somewhere, is it online?
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[17:01] <_neezee> but in case of the italien one, he actually has an audience through a blog
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[17:02] <gily> lobbying  with his blog
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[17:02] <CharlesN> exemple of a French Think Tank about politics : http://www.clubdesvigilants.com
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[17:03] <_neezee> we should hear more people from their own country talking about what is happening, so we all have the same understanding of what is happening around europe
[17:03] <dltq> yeah nicole
[17:03] <peterkaminski> _neezee++
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[17:03] <antoin> it could be a business model!
[17:04] <CharlesN> _neezee > open a wiki about it
[17:04] <antoin> if you could get a good discount on the advertising ... hmm ...
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[17:04] <jibot> howard is Howard Rheingold and at http://www.rheingold.com/ and blogs at http://www.smartmobs.com/
[17:04] <dltq> i (heart) smartmobs lol
[17:04] <factoryjoe> hey, the US president is a crack addict, what're you worried about?
[17:04] <loiclemeur> hey Howard !
[17:04] <CharlesN> howard rheingold++
[17:04] <_neezee> well, i was not so much aware of it before, but as for example i am in germany, i should blog more about what is happening here - or not - so we all can share and discover more of what our differences and similarites
[17:04] <_neezee> are.
[17:04] <factoryjoe> i kid, i kid
[17:04] <Suw> neezee, yeah, it's so easy to look to america for what is going on but i'd like a better idea of what is happening in europe
[17:04] <nikolajn> rollcall: any french/european open source companies in audience? (o'reilly & others starting to map open source and other startups in europe)
[17:04] <loiclemeur> Howard too bad I missed you in Paris last time
[17:05] <_neezee> nikolajn define open source ;)
[17:05] <_neezee> nikolajn and - blog about it, we can link you
[17:05] <howard> no no, i met howard rheingold at a Well party in 1988, but I'm a different guy... :-P
[17:05] <factoryjoe> nikolajn: http://swik.net/
[17:05] <CharlesN> Loic> u missed a great presentation
[17:05] <nikolajn> swik.net in audience?
[17:05] <dltq> i agree _neezee, i should vlog more from Norway as well. Nothing much happens here, but we have great reindeer meat
[17:05] <_neezee> haha. :)
[17:06] <dltq> i couldnt make it to lesblogs, but I am going to attend LIFT in Geneve :>
[17:06] <dotBen> loic: other than the wifi, this has been a good conference so far!
[17:06] <loiclemeur> yes, too bad
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[17:06] <loiclemeur> dotBen thanks !
[17:06] <loiclemeur> wifi is really hard to manage
[17:07] <factoryjoe> nikolajn: don't think so
[17:07] <factoryjoe> just thought it might help you find some
[17:07] <Suw> very cool speakers. specially this panel.
[17:07] <mcabiling> wifi is way better than the last time
[17:07] <_neezee> loiclemeur yeah, just complaining on high level. ;)
[17:07] <rvr> What kind of videos do they sell?
[17:07] <dotBen> despite my joking around, I agree loic + sympathise
[17:07] <loiclemeur> yes, I really like Beppe Grillo's David presentation
[17:08] <cliebert> victims of da Bonnaldy Effect (french joke)
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[17:08] <dotBen> suw - you would say that
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[17:09] <nikolajn> _neezee: will do. just would like to see if there are any open source (as in publishing your code) companies or projects in the audience for a chat
[17:09] <antoin> well, there's fon people here.
[17:09] <Suw> dotBen: i can't deny my bias
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[17:09] <Suw> specially whilst irc is not on the main screen
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[17:10] <dotBen> yeah, you were telling me how sexy the man in the pink shirt is
[17:10] <Geoff_> Loic I'm surprised that you are having wifi problems - you spent a bundle of money on it!
[17:10] <antoin> the problem with network stuff is that the more you provide, the more demand there is.
[17:10] <dotBen> thats how you become a "big blogger" link to others
[17:10] <Suw> you are projecting again, dotBen
[17:10] <dotBen> it's informed agregation, not original opinion
[17:11] <Geoff_> maybe bittorrents  could be disabled
[17:11] <dotBen> uni study - students, tsk!
[17:12] <Geoff_> Loic a graph of wifi usage would be really cool - giving feedback to userd
[17:12] <Geoff_> Would become self limiting then
[17:12] <antoin> the important point is that the two blobs don't join up!
[17:12] <rvr> That was an study from HP Labs
[17:12] <dotBen> GO KEVI
[17:12] <dotBen> N
[17:12] <mung> anyone know something about Non profit association blogging?
[17:12] <maartens> Republicans vs. Democrats is so limited
[17:12] <loiclemeur> Geoff, I don't have that handy...
[17:12] <maartens> I know Glenn Reynolds would object to being called a Republican
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[17:12] <maartens> pro-gay marriage etc...
[17:13] <jemstone> kevin and the democrat convention for the bbc:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3927801.stm
[17:13] <Geoff_> Loic more as an idea on future events (will try on next OSW)
[17:13] <_neezee> loic could you perhaps ask that question shortly as if some open source are in the room? that might help. nikolajn, can i write you down for the post conference podcast? :)
[17:13] <dotBen> oooh, the b word --- bubble
[17:13] <loiclemeur> _neezee you're projected on the main screen everybody sees you !
[17:14] <dltq> i hope someone is paying nicole good for those podcasts. excellent way to package the conference imo
[17:14] <_neezee> loiclemeur but some people actually follow just the session :)
[17:14] <loiclemeur> can we prepare the questions of that session here ?
[17:14] <loiclemeur> _neezee :-)
[17:14] <BenHammersley> loiclemeur: do you want me on the panel after my talk tomorrow?
[17:14] <_neezee> loiclemeur i mean it. many are distracted by that and ignore that in order to stay insane
[17:14] <Geoff_> nezee - really great idea - I'm sure the usage would become self limiting if everyone could see the actual usage
[17:14] <maartens> Yeeaaaargh! ;-)
[17:15] <loiclemeur> Ben, if you are nice to me until tomorrow
[17:15] <antoin> the thing is that it isn't the guy who's most rallyed up who wins.
[17:15] <_neezee> Geoff_ so we would be humbled by our wastage?
[17:15] <crosswick> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.01/dean.html
[17:15] <nikolajn> loic: i'd love if you could let the open source people know at the end of one of the sessions, that i'd lve to chat with them. especially if they're french
[17:15] <loiclemeur> Yes, Ben please stay
[17:15] <nikolajn> _neezee: yes
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[17:15] <dotBen> antoin: no it's the person people knows the most == thus the blog
[17:15] <_neezee> BenHammersley, you promised something challenging again, so you should better deliver that ;
[17:15] <loiclemeur> nikoajn, the problem I have is about 15 people asked me to pass messages
[17:16] <loiclemeur> one was "can everybody who has a Mac let us know"
[17:16] <nikolajn> loic: np. i understand.
[17:16] * BenHammersley will be talking about babylonian town planning
[17:16] <Geoff_> nezee - :-) its like roads if you see a jam outside you stay at home
[17:16] <loiclemeur> so if I do it for you I have to do it for everybody
[17:16] <antoin> he never would have won!
[17:16] <loiclemeur> Ben, yep, stay on the panel tomorrow pls
[17:16] <BenHammersley> loiclemeur: cool
[17:16] <rvr> http://www.hpl.hp.com/research/idl/papers/politicalblogs
[17:16] <loiclemeur> we'll actually react to your presentation, so you'd better rock
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[17:16] <peterkaminski> we should set up a thing where whatever you type appears on a screen at the front of the room... :-)
[17:16] <loiclemeur> :-)
[17:16] <BenHammersley> :-)
[17:17] <Suw> i think the speakers should have a little monitor so they can see the backchannel
[17:17] <dotBen> yeah, can the open source people read this?  job done
[17:17] <AndreasHaugstrup> loiclemeur: beware. He might start bashing the french again ;)
[17:17] <Suw> oh, wait, no i don't.
[17:17] <jemstone> it was about raising funds to carry on the campaign
[17:17] <loiclemeur> hehe
[17:17] <yannk> a rearview mirror
[17:17] <loiclemeur> Jeff Jarvis bashes the french MUCH more
[17:17] <rodrigo> Loic> are you on a private chat up here ?
[17:17] <Suw> don't look round guys!
[17:17] <loiclemeur> Rodrigo is staying just on my right !!!
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[17:18] <dotBen> nice point
[17:18] <maartens> Porkbusters!
[17:18] <dotBen> us blogosphere - more than red/blue
[17:18] <loiclemeur> I am so hungry, forgot to eat at lunch, just was saying hello to everybody
[17:18] <mcabiling> hmm i see a few netstumblers on some screens
[17:19] <dotBen> yeah, keep your passwords out the clear people
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[17:19] <weemac> I'm starving - do those mics pick up tummy rumbles?!
[17:19] <jemstone> kevins bbc programme: http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/programmes/upallnight.shtml
[17:19] <Suw> well i think sometimes the idea that journalism is about dialogue - two sides of a story - entirely misses out the shades of grey inbetween
[17:19] <J_Clavier> Loic, you did that last year already
[17:19] <loiclemeur> could somebody go and get some big macs for me ?
[17:19] <tara_> LOL
[17:19] <mcabiling> 17inch loic ?
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[17:19] <loiclemeur> LE big mac
[17:19] <rvr> Tele pizzas
[17:19] * maartens would like one too
[17:19] <jy_> Loic, sausage?
[17:19] <cfd> Ze big mac
[17:19] <loiclemeur> sausage mmmmmmm
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[17:19] <maartens> Or a Whopper....
[17:20] <antoin> the internet is becoming like poetry.
[17:20] <jy_> How would you like your sausage?
[17:20] <mung> Or Rouleau de Printemps
[17:20] <J_Clavier> I am voting for factoryjoe to get the N90 - his Les Blogs 2.0/Canter mashup is a classic
[17:20] <maartens> Do they have Burger King in Paris?
[17:20] <antoin> a lot more people are writing than reading.
[17:20] * dotBen rolls on floor
[17:20] <loiclemeur> with Ketchup please
[17:20] * dotBen lol
[17:20] <rodrigo> can someone plesase design a banner with 'MMMMMmmmmm 2.0 conference'
[17:20] <factoryjoe> :D
[17:20] <gily> burger king no more
[17:20] <tara_> Go Joe!
[17:20] <loiclemeur> can you please now let us concentrate on the session :-)
[17:20] <maartens> :-P~~~
[17:20] <J_Clavier> Hey you diverged
[17:20] <loiclemeur> (with a big Mac)
[17:20] <tara_> too hungry now
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[17:20] <m-c> aahhh stop, i'm getting hungry
[17:20] <weemac> Sometimes I stand in the fish and chip shop queue, watching as the vinegar runs through, wishing I could buy suppoer for two.
[17:20] <loiclemeur> Jeff  :D
[17:20] <loiclemeur> I SOOOO hungry
[17:20] <NicoleS> why? i thought there where to be podcast recordings, so we can concentrate on the backchannel :)
[17:20] <m-c> stoooooooooooooop!
[17:21] <loiclemeur> NicoleS good point !
[17:21] <maartens> Better: I'm videoing this :-)
[17:21] <J_Clavier> Moi aussi, j'ai la dalle
[17:21] <jy_> 10 minutes more, and Loic sees 5 burgers talking on the scene
[17:21] <loiclemeur> hehe
[17:21] <J_Clavier> jy_++
[17:21] <maartens> http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/
[17:21] <Geoff_> Just about to make some butternut squash soup....
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[17:21] <CharlesN> Let's order pizza hut ;)
[17:21] <tara_> Like in the Looney Toons...a whole panel of burgers
[17:21] <gily> hot dogs panel
[17:21] <loiclemeur> pizza hut suck
[17:21] <loiclemeur> sucks
[17:21] <dotBen> burger off
[17:21] <maartens> Video will be available there later...
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[17:21] <m-c> there should be popcorn next time
[17:21] <loiclemeur> some oysters maybe ?
[17:21] <CharlesN> yep but they deliver
[17:22] <jy_> Fon should give away tapas
[17:22] <gily> yep, with muscadet
[17:22] <jemstone> pub sub govt is like http://www.theyworkforyou.com in the UK
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[17:22] <loiclemeur> 40000 inhabitants in Paris
[17:22] <Geoff_> maybe get a food outfit to sponsor the event
[17:22] <loiclemeur> close to La Defense
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[17:22] <antoin> does anyone have a link to this guy's site?
[17:22] <jy_> He says Puteaux has 10 Mac donalds and 5 burger kings
[17:22] <loiclemeur> Christophe has been blogging for more than a year
[17:22] <loiclemeur> on how he hates the city mayor
[17:22] <loiclemeur> THOMAS YOU ROCK
[17:22] <dotBen> any fastfoof bloggers in the house?
[17:23] <yannk> maartens: be kind with the wifi guys
[17:23] <maartens> www.fastfoodweblog.nl
[17:23] <dotBen> fastfodo*
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[17:23] <fmahon> http://www.monputeaux.com/
[17:23] <maartens> not my site
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[17:23] <yannk> maartens: big video files does no good to the bandwidth
[17:23] <maartens> yannk: I'm not uploading them...
[17:23] <maartens> now
[17:23] <maartens> But later
[17:23] <yannk> maartens: upload or download
[17:23] <weemac> This is the paper from the Puteaux mayor
[17:23] <maartens> I'm not downloading them either
[17:23] <gily> maarteens is n next to me and i can tell you he's eating AND uploading
[17:24] <ant0ine> :)
[17:24] <Suw> eating!!!!!
[17:24] <maartens> I wish I was eating...
[17:24] <dotBen> OUTRAGAOUS!
[17:24] <Suw> outrageous!
[17:24] <weemac> Ouiii!
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[17:24] <yannk> :)
[17:24] <maartens> :-)
[17:24] <J_Clavier> I used to live in Puteaux too - back in 1991
[17:24] <antoin> it reminds me of http://www.edinburghsucks.com/
[17:25] <weemac> Edinburgh DOES NOT suck!
[17:25] <antoin> well, if you like that kind of thing.
[17:25] <rodrigo> The fringe is great ;)
[17:25] <weemac> The rest is alright, too ;-)
[17:25] <antoin> sounds horribly corrupt to me.
[17:25] <weemac> Edinburgh?
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[17:26] <antoin> yeah.
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[17:26] <loiclemeur> pizzas arrived JY ?
[17:26] <gily> Edinburger
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[17:26] <jy_> Christophe will be Mayor in 5 years
[17:26] <weemac> Hope so
[17:26] <CharlesN> Pizza finally
[17:26] <tara_> where?
[17:26] <jemstone> this guy rocks
[17:27] <gily> yep
[17:27] <maartens> Does he have a day job with that?
[17:27] <schickr> democracy in action
[17:27] <weemac> Liberté, égalité, fraternité, réalité?!
[17:27] <schickr> Et intimidation
[17:28] <pforret> who's video streaming there on the big screen?
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[17:28] <J_Clavier> That's on his site
[17:28] <jy_> Loic : Geraldine says no pizza, you should have eaten at lunch :-P
[17:28] <pforret> what lunch?
[17:29] <fmahon> maartens: yes he has... he's working in a information and communication company
[17:29] <perfectpath> the lunch where nothing was bigger than my thumb
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[17:29] <maartens> fmahon: does he have time to have a life outside this blog then?
[17:29] <Suw> nanolunch
[17:29] <pforret> don't be humble, your thumb is bigger
[17:29] <mung> big mac banner online
[17:29] <mung> MMMmmmm
[17:29] <J_Clavier> You just had to eat a lot of thumbs!
[17:30] <weemac> http://www.mcdonalds.fr/
[17:30] <tara_> yum thumbs!
[17:30] <rodrigo> http://www.alloresto.fr/alloresto/
[17:30] <jy_> Loic : skeeping lunch is nice to loose weight. oops
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[17:31] <dotBen> oooh, bitchy
[17:31] <loiclemeur> jy_ start this over again you'll see
[17:31] <J_Clavier> Cheap
[17:31] <jy_> in general of course
[17:31] <dotBen> what was the first queston?
[17:31] <BenHammersley> how close is this party tonight?
[17:31] <rodrigo> lesblogs is the HOTTEST tag in the ladst 24h on flickr...
[17:31] * yannk remembers that everything in this backchannel is logged
[17:32] <gily> what was the second one ?
[17:32] <loiclemeur> is it ?
[17:32] <loiclemeur> where Rodrigo ?
[17:32] <mcabiling> http://www.bandt.com.au/news/89/0c015489.asp
[17:32] <rodrigo> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/
[17:32] <mcabiling> that would have been useful...
[17:32] <peterkaminski> 1. doesn't this interfere with your day job?
[17:32] <maartens> It has been since this morning already...
[17:32] <schickr> doesn't look like loïc's missed many lunches
[17:32] <rvr> Not yet in TEchnorati
[17:32] <jy_> Ben : you only need to walk 1h30.
[17:32] <factoryjoe> j'ai faim
[17:32] <maartens> I remember blogging about it this morning
[17:32] <BenHammersley> metro, then...
[17:32] <weemac> boulot, metro, resto, dodo
[17:32] <peterkaminski> 2. where are the opposition parties? they should be hassling the incumbents
[17:32] <rodrigo> by the way, also for the alst week :)
[17:33] <rvr> He, second hottest tag blogs & dogs :-/
[17:33] <BenHammersley> is it a free bar?
[17:33] <weemac> open bar all night
[17:33] <BenHammersley> really?
[17:33] <weemac> Loic said
[17:33] <dotBen> open?
[17:33] <loiclemeur> NO PROMOTION
[17:33] <weemac> Are you not paying, Loic?
[17:33] <loiclemeur> FOR FRANCE WORKING 35 HOURS A WEEL
[17:33] <loiclemeur> a week
[17:33] <weemac> But you said...!
[17:33] <jemstone> 35 hours. socialist governments and trade unions have created blogs
[17:33] <pforret> even if you speak english and french, both at the same time is sometimes hard
[17:33] <loiclemeur> Christophe is a member of the French socialist party
[17:34] <dotBen> they are sometime hard on their own.  I have barely comprehended the art of speaking English
[17:34] <tara_> What's for dinner?
[17:34] <maartens> And that 35 hours, that is the average.  If it weren't for loic it would be lower! ;-)
[17:34] <dotBen> sassuage?
[17:34] <perfectpath> fingers
[17:34] <dotBen> hmmmm
[17:34] <dotBen> etc
[17:34] <loiclemeur> hehe
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[17:34] <factoryjoe> weemac: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70525009/
[17:34] <tara_> FactoryJoe strikes again
[17:34] <J_Clavier> clientelisme = nepotism ?
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[17:35] <maartens> Loic does 35 hours a day ;-)
[17:35] <tara_> He SO deserves that phone
[17:35] <antoin> no clientelism is different.
[17:35] <chrisheuer> good evening
[17:35] * NicoleS is now known as _neezee
[17:35] <factoryjoe> sup chrisheuer
[17:35] <antoin> it's about doing stuff for your consituents. Favours.
[17:35] <_neezee> so, loic wants some wiki things up: http://www.socialtext.net/loicwiki/member/index.cgi?write_down_your_favorite_quote
[17:35] <antoin> in ireland we call them 'strokes'
[17:35] <chrisheuer> still recovering - but kicking and screaming into the morning
[17:35] <chrisheuer> long week
[17:35] <_neezee> go and enter your favorite quote from the conference ;)
[17:35] <Suw> Can blogging really affect politics? Is it possible for bloggers to have real influence? Or is it just people talking to themselves?
[17:35] <factoryjoe> someone